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Nigel Cooper's December 16th, 2013 Ambassador Report
Topic Started: Dec 16 2013, 09:20 PM (3,140 Views)
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Off topic but I could not resist, did you know Mattel is now selling bunny rabbits? It's diecast related. :fiddle:

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@James: The bumper cars are made by Hot Wheels, not Matchbox. Just thought I'd point that out. :)
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@Cody: I LOVE YOUR SUGGESTIONS, MAN! :woot: :woot: I COMPLETELY AGREE! :)
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craftymore
Dec 21 2013, 09:44 AM
Off topic but I could not resist, did you know Mattel is now selling bunny rabbits? It's diecast related. :fiddle:

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D'aww. Also, what do you mean, Bill? Are you saying what I said was off topic, or what you said was off topic?
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craftymore
Dec 21 2013, 09:44 AM
Off topic but I could not resist, did you know Mattel is now selling bunny rabbits? It's diecast related. :fiddle:

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D'aww. Also, what do you mean, Bill? Are you saying what I said was off topic, or what you said was off topic?
You are showing a nice bimmer so I threw the HW version in.
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Dec 21 2013, 09:44 AM
Off topic but I could not resist, did you know Mattel is now selling bunny rabbits? It's diecast related. :fiddle:

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Ho Ho you are a wit chap. :bangles:
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Has anyone happened to notice...

Matchbox is and always has been from its inception, a child's plaything?
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juantoo3
Dec 22 2013, 09:53 AM
Has anyone happened to notice...

Matchbox is and always has been from its inception, a child's plaything?
Really? Matchbox's are . . . TOYS?!? :P

Some collectors need to look up the definition of that word, and see how it correlates to the word 'Matchbox'.
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Dec 21 2013, 06:57 AM
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Dec 21 2013, 03:55 AM
Clem, the truck IS a GMC. I picked it up for Christmas and it's stamped as a GMC Topkick on the base. Why it isn't on the package, I'm unsure.
Off topic but i could not resist and as MB belongs to Mattel and churns out far more realistic stuff to buy instead of toys for babies. :wave:

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Bill, you are totally wrong.

I have been upset with Hot Wheels because it seems like they are taking Matchbox's role. They do seem to get all the glory. They made the Pagani Huayra. Acura NSX Concept, Porsche 918 Spyder, Koenigsegg Agera R, Ferrari LaFerrari, Toyota 2000GT, and countless other exotic and exciting supercars.

But it was an actual look at the Hot Wheels pegs that made me realize that Hot Wheels does not consist solely of cars like the BMW listed above, but that 95% of them are generic, crazy, fantasy race vehicles. I was astonished at how hard it was to find, in 40 pegs, any licensed car models from Hot Wheels to give to my friend as a gift for Christmas.

Hot Wheels is not left with realistic cars while Matchbox gets solely trucks and 4x4s.

Why did you not post a picture of the new 2014 model Aston Martin DBS, in black with front and rear tampoes? Or what about that spectacular Dodge Monaco Police car? Or the BMW 1M? Or the Dodge A100 Pickup?

Because that would make Matchbox look good, and we certainly do not want that to happen, do we?
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Dec 21 2013, 07:38 PM
@James: The bumper cars are made by Hot Wheels, not Matchbox. Just thought I'd point that out. :)
:duh: Seniors moment, I knew that, :duh:
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Dec 22 2013, 10:55 AM
juantoo3
Dec 22 2013, 09:53 AM
Has anyone happened to notice...

Matchbox is and always has been from its inception, a child's plaything?
Really? Matchbox's are . . . TOYS?!? :P

Some collectors need to look up the definition of that word, and see how it correlates to the word 'Matchbox'.
I totally agree. Yes, while we all want to see Matchbox and Hotwheels make realistic cars, the bottom line is that they are oriented to KIDS. They always have, and always will be. At least you do see models that are oriented to collectors (e.g. A-100).

You may say that Siku and Tomy are also oriented to kids, which is true. But, their market (European & Asian) and their pricepoint ($3-4) is a lot different, and hence, their products are different.

Just my take.
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I posted the pic of the HW Bimmer purely because of the nice 1:1 picture and nothing to do at dissing MB as most know i think they are rubbish in there current form and once they made toys for toddlers but dropped a notch and now make for babies.

And to mbx64 you can find far more realistic HW on the pegs,alone the last few days i have picked up
a couple of the Datsun Pickup plus

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the bottom line is that they are oriented to KIDS. They always have, and always will be



This is not entirely true.
In the 1960s, there were video press releases from Lesney where they mention Matchbox as a miniature with enough detail to please all age groups, including adult collectors and model railroad enthusiasts.
No doubt, kids were the focal point. But, Lesney aimed to create a standard of quality and detail for everybody interested in transportation.
And, Models of Yesteryear were definitely targeted at adults. Where is our equivalent today?
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66alfa_gtv
Dec 22 2013, 07:45 PM
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the bottom line is that they are oriented to KIDS. They always have, and always will be



This is not entirely true.
In the 1960s, there were video press releases from Lesney where they mention Matchbox as a miniature with enough detail to please all age groups, including adult collectors and model railroad enthusiasts.
No doubt, kids were the focal point. But, Lesney aimed to create a standard of quality and detail for everybody interested in transportation.
And, Models of Yesteryear were definitely targeted at adults. Where is our equivalent today?
My Refuse Truck from the mid '80s has "Matchbox the Original Collectible" right on the box that it came with.

My Seagrave from last year looks much better and has nearly as much detail as a Corgi Heroes Under Fire Issue. Matchbox has had some collector aimed series like those intricately detailed Collectibles models. In fact, I had one when I was four, but it was too fragile to play with, and was broken easily.

Secondly, I think Matchbox can do better than Hot Wheels on many models. Matchbox likes to keep their models stock, whereas Hot Wheels like to often give their model a "customized" look (like the rear wheels being much larger than the fronts, and the model being lowered), and I'd rather have a Matchbox model of many sport/muscle cars for that reason. The only exceptions I can give to Hot Wheels were some of the Workhorses line, like the Airport Rescue Oshkosh, and the CAT series.
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I'd like to point out an error on the base of the MXT-MVA. It says that it's 1/64, but according to my calculations it's closer to 1/87 or HO scale. I suspected that it was a little too small to be 1/64, so I got the 1/1 dimensions off Wikipedia and did the math.
Edited by cody6268, Dec 22 2013, 08:23 PM.
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It's odd Bill, you routinely trash the MB brand but rarely in recent times have you posted up your new HWs scores in the HW bay. Constructive criticism is one thing on a brand, all out trashing it is another. The old adage buy what you like and like what you buy always hold true. Why not post your new finds in their respective bays here on the Garage instead of using the Matchbox area to post what you believe MB isn't producing? Few would reply in a Greenlight thread with an M2 Machines model to point how in their view how poor the Greenlight model is in their mind. If you so despise the current direction of the MB brand, why post here at all in the MB bay? Nearly all your posts somehow end up being related to trashing the MB brand. We get it, you despise the current direction. It's a fair enough assessment. Beating it in the ground isn't changing the direction of the brand and it's not changing the minds here who may enjoy some of the releases MB still have of new models.
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Lesney co-owner Jack Odell (b. 1920 – d. 2007) created a toy that effectively provided the final, missing link to the company's future. It was designed for his daughter: her school only allowed children to bring toys that could fit inside a matchbox, so Odell crafted a scaled-down version of the Lesney green and red road roller. This toy ultimately became the first of the 1-75 miniature range; a dump truck and a cement mixer completed the original three-model release that marked the starting point of the mass-market success story of the Matchbox series.

emphasis mine, -jt3
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28brand%29
Though this is told often enough through the rounds of Matchbox aficionados.

I stand by my assessment.

So what's the point getting fussed over a child's plaything?

I collect toys. I also keep it in perspective.
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Dec 22 2013, 07:45 PM
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the bottom line is that they are oriented to KIDS. They always have, and always will be



This is not entirely true.
In the 1960s, there were video press releases from Lesney where they mention Matchbox as a miniature with enough detail to please all age groups, including adult collectors and model railroad enthusiasts.
No doubt, kids were the focal point. But, Lesney aimed to create a standard of quality and detail for everybody interested in transportation.
And, Models of Yesteryear were definitely targeted at adults. Where is our equivalent today?
Hold on a moment...

Exactly how many MOYs do you have in your collection *right now?*

For that matter, how many Lledos do you have in your collection *right now?*

How many White Rose Collectibles do you have in your collection *right now?*

If I were a betting man, I would bet you have few to none. You know why? Because none of these "adult" collectible lines held their value compared to the toys!

Moving goalposts is not a fitting way to engage an argument.

Fact: Matchbox were created as toys and have continually been made and marketed as toys. You collect toys.

Embrace that fact.
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Dec 22 2013, 07:44 PM
I posted the pic of the HW Bimmer purely because of the nice 1:1 picture and nothing to do at dissing MB as most know i think they are rubbish in there current form and once they made toys for toddlers but dropped a notch and now make for babies.

And to mbx64 you can find far more realistic HW on the pegs,alone the last few days i have picked up
a couple of the Datsun Pickup plus

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And for every one of these so-called "real" cars, the pegs hold 2 or 3 fantasy creations. And of the ones you show here, all but one are butt ugly...the only one I bought is the Alfa and I think the wheels suck. I passed on all the rest, and I've been picking up HW regularly for well over a decade. For every model you praise, there are 25 that suck every bit as bad as anything you hate in the MBX line. I *am* a Hot Wheels collector, so I do know a thing or two about what I'm saying.

So go on...let's compare Hot Wheels to Matchbox. Anyday. Anytime. Want to compare today's offerings side by side, case lot by case lot? I think you will find the assortments are remarkably similar in makeup. Hot Wheels is dumbing down and cheapening their lines too...make no mistake. Metal bases are all but a thing of the past. So many hoods have been cast shut it makes me sick. And whose friggin' idea was it to invent garish colored windscreens, obscenely stupid tampos and chrome interiors? One guess only, please.













But its only a toy.

Buy what you like and like what you buy...you can't go wrong.
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If I were a betting man, I would bet you have few to none. You know why? Because none of these "adult" collectible lines held their value compared to the toys!


Quite a few Lesney Yesteryears, actually. The Lesney era cars lean towards interesting topics like 1920s-30s Grand Prix stuff, or high end engineering like the Spykers, Mercers and Rolls Royces. For me, it's not about holding value. I want a quality replica with innovation. That was Lesney era Matchbox, across the line. I liked that stuff as a child because of the detail, connecting what I held in my hands to what I may have seen of the streets (or museums, or even on our trip to Europe when I was very young).
Nothing has changed today. The nostalgic side yearns for Matchbox to return to it's old ways of making replicas appealing to both kids and adults with innovation and quality. Since that is not entirely realistic to expect, I collect and display quality miniatures of any scale or any subject that appeals to me. I will never own a real Miura, but holding a well made miniature brings me just a little closer to my favorite car of all time. This was true with the original King Size Miura, and it remains true with the recent Kyosho Miura.
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Bill, I have no idea why you posted the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione to brag Hot Wheels' models. It is an embarrassing model to boast.

It is squashed, has large rear wheels, has lost most of its real proportions. It is far from a nice diecast model; it is more of an interpretation of how the model would look as a cartoon.

The MBX BMW 1M on the other hand, looks like it would be drivable if you made it 64x bigger.

Oh, and I can play your game, too. I will match the 5 Hot Wheels you posted:
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And Zach, you make total sense to me, but unfortunately it does not make sense to all. You are trying to teach a person who complains about Matchbox's child-like direction, but then bickers when a collector model is released, because it does not fit in with that child-like direction.

Yeah, I do not get it either.

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66alfa_gtv
Dec 22 2013, 09:49 PM
I collect and display quality miniatures of any scale or any subject that appeals to me. I will never own a real Miura, but holding a well made miniature brings me just a little closer to my favorite car of all time. This was true with the original King Size Miura, and it remains true with the recent Kyosho Miura.
That is awesome, that is what collecting is about!

Even considering HW....with the RLC they've tried to go back to the redline era in a sense, but I've never really connected with those cars. The only one I have is one of the Cords, and apparently I missed the Hot Heap reissue (last one I saw the seller wanted $100, and another seller had an employee special that sure looked like the "regular" issue...for $180!). So I do relate, I do understand wanting to see MBX return to its roots.

Someone once said you can't go back home. The older I get, the more I think he's right.
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Dec 22 2013, 07:45 PM
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the bottom line is that they are oriented to KIDS. They always have, and always will be



This is not entirely true.
In the 1960s, there were video press releases from Lesney where they mention Matchbox as a miniature with enough detail to please all age groups, including adult collectors and model railroad enthusiasts.
No doubt, kids were the focal point. But, Lesney aimed to create a standard of quality and detail for everybody interested in transportation.
And, Models of Yesteryear were definitely targeted at adults. Where is our equivalent today?
I see your point, and you do make a fair argument.

When you point out that "with enough detail to please all age groups, including adult collectors and model railroad enthusiasts.", that is true. However, I believe that the statement means that the detail on the toy is of high enough quality to please collectors alike.


When Juantoo3 mentions that "Fact: Matchbox were created as toys and have continually been made and marketed as toys.", there is simply no better way to put it.

But hey, you have your opinion, and I have mine. I do respect your opinion, and I'm or going to try and change it. Don't think that I'm trying to provoke an argument, because I'm not. I'm just trying to express my opinion. This thread is really nice to read, as there is such a large variance of opinion..
Edited by Stampede, Dec 23 2013, 01:23 AM.
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Dec 22 2013, 09:54 PM
Bill, I have no idea why you posted the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione to brag Hot Wheels' models. It is an embarrassing model to boast.

It is squashed, has large rear wheels, has lost most of its real proportions. It is far from a nice diecast model; it is more of an interpretation of how the model would look as a cartoon.

The MBX BMW 1M on the other hand, looks like it would be drivable if you made it 64x bigger.

Oh, and I can play your game, too. I will match the 5 Hot Wheels you posted:
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And Zach, you make total sense to me, but unfortunately it does not make sense to all. You are trying to teach a person who complains about Matchbox's child-like direction, but then bickers when a collector model is released, because it does not fit in with that child-like direction.

Yeah, I do not get it either.

Lol i do not play games,your posted baby toys are about as good as it gets chap.
Edited by Bill50, Dec 23 2013, 03:57 AM.
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Dec 22 2013, 09:04 PM
Bill50
Dec 22 2013, 07:44 PM
I posted the pic of the HW Bimmer purely because of the nice 1:1 picture and nothing to do at dissing MB as most know i think they are rubbish in there current form and once they made toys for toddlers but dropped a notch and now make for babies.

And to mbx64 you can find far more realistic HW on the pegs,alone the last few days i have picked up
a couple of the Datsun Pickup plus

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And for every one of these so-called "real" cars, the pegs hold 2 or 3 fantasy creations. And of the ones you show here, all but one are butt ugly...the only one I bought is the Alfa and I think the wheels suck. I passed on all the rest, and I've been picking up HW regularly for well over a decade. For every model you praise, there are 25 that suck every bit as bad as anything you hate in the MBX line. I *am* a Hot Wheels collector, so I do know a thing or two about what I'm saying.

So go on...let's compare Hot Wheels to Matchbox. Anyday. Anytime. Want to compare today's offerings side by side, case lot by case lot? I think you will find the assortments are remarkably similar in makeup. Hot Wheels is dumbing down and cheapening their lines too...make no mistake. Metal bases are all but a thing of the past. So many hoods have been cast shut it makes me sick. And whose friggin' idea was it to invent garish colored windscreens, obscenely stupid tampos and chrome interiors? One guess only, please.













But its only a toy.

Buy what you like and like what you buy...you can't go wrong.
Makes no odds to me i do not collect rubbish from HW or MB but i am a massive consumer of toddler toys for 3 grand children and the more realistic offerings are made by HW,i am well aware that they make shed loads of fantasy cars but they have a far bigger selection of realistic looking stuff than the junk churned out by the case full by MB. :bangles:

Wanted pre opening of the Berlin Wall Schuco/Siku.Mint or very near only preferably boxed.
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