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Motor Trend
Topic Started: Oct 7 2014, 07:35 AM (1,035 Views)
daniel60
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I cancelled by subscription to Motor Trend after being subscribed to it for just a few months for claiming the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 was the

driver's car of the year. So ridiculous I had no choice but to cancel. The competition was the likes of the Porsches', Bmws', Nissan's

GT-R Nismo and others. I don't mean to offend people here but in my humble opinion the newest Camaro is just hard to drive. The

automobile has blind spots that just impairs the driver to where I was leery to stepping on the pedal because of the fear of hurting someone.

To make myself laugh further is to see this same Goober Nerd Driver now for the second time making his assumptions as I have seen him before

on You Tube comparing the 2014 Shelby Gt 500 vs. the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28.




Now I read last night from the same Magazine Motor Trend that the new 2015 Mustang GT was a disappointment in speed and handling.

Just what does Motor Trend have against the Mustang. I haven't read one review other than their's that the 15 Mustang GT was

disappointing. The first year with independent suspension that handles better than any Mustang before including the limited

run Boss Mustang of recent years. They went on further to say that the new Mustang wasn't as good on the track but not noticeable

on the streets. Who the heck buys a regular Muscle Pony Car to drive on the track anyway? I thought the car was made for the street

and not to be considered a race car on the track. The Mustang by what I have read is still faster than the Camaro in a straight line.

Yes it is heavier than before but it isn't enough to make such an insult to the new Model.


I always heard that Motor Trend was Pro Chevrolet so maybe this explains it. Heck the Shelby GT 2014 wasn't even in the equation.

Oh yes and I'm being sarcastic but even the Great BMW M4 had nothing for the Camaro. Which brings me to another point.

Last year the best selling Vehicle for the last twenty years or more the F-150 wasn't even considered in the Motor Trend's Truck of the year.

My wife says shouldn't you just ignore the article and keep your subscription and my answer is no. It's a well investment to have nothing

more to do with these Nimrods.





Edited by daniel60, Oct 7 2014, 11:13 AM.
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Motor Trend has always been my least favorite car magazine. I'll still read it from time to time because hey any car magazine is better than lots of other stuff, but Road and Track is in my opinion the best car magazine here in the US. After that, I like Automobile, then Car and Driver and then Motor Trend. Europe gets all the good car mags though with Top Gear, Car, Evo, etc.
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Barracuda68
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Motor Trend has always seemed very anti-Chrysler to me.

P.S. on the new Camaros, I've heard there slugs.

My dad drove a 2010 V6 for a couple days and he said "it has over 300 HP but it sure don't feel like it"
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jedimario
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It sort of makes sense- the test was done at a racetrack and the Z/28 had the most track-oriented goodies of the bunch. Still, it leaves me a bit confused as well.

To answer one of your questions, here're some pictures:
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accobra64
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Daniel, I subscribe to Motor Trend along with several automotive magazines.
Sometimes you just have to read the articles and not necessarily believe or even care about some of the editorial material.
And unfortunately, you can seem to read almost carbon-copy articles about the same vehicles in many magazines in the same month of release.
That is one issue that bugs me.
And a reason that in recent times, I did NOT re-new some of those subscriptions.

If you want to subscribe to some automotive magazines that are different and much more educational, try some published by Hemmings.
Always good reading in their magazines.

BYW, I'm not a big fan of the Camaro and probably never will be!
Concerning the original lead-in subject matter by Motor Trend, I personally thought that it was a farce.
The article was more like comparing apples to oranges.
I'll take the Porsche or the Nissan.

Cheers. Cobra
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clem24
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In regards to the new Mustang, the new rear independent suspension might make it seem 'better' on paper, but it also adds over 200lbs to the car over the solid axle. Weight will kill a car and it does not surprise me to hear that it 'feels' worse. Now having said that, I'd hold your breath and wait for the 2.3 Ecoboost. There's HUGE weight savings in that car which should really improve the handling.

And Daniel, this is a review about a Driver's car... On a track, blind spots don't matter.

In any case, we know you're a huge Mustang fan but no reason to get upset just because a magazine disagrees with your own opinion.
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clem24
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I should also add, although the GT-R is stupidly fast, it is far from a driver's car; half the time, the computer is doing the work. I've driven one on the track and it's definitely not for me... The best word I can come up with is "boring". LOL just waiting to get flamed for this one. But my point is, if you want to win races, then yes the GT-R. But if you want something that tingles the senses (i.e. a Driver's car), the GT-R is not it.
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clem24
Oct 8 2014, 10:22 AM
And Daniel, this is a review about a Driver's car... On a track, blind spots don't matter.
Blind spots absolutely do matter on track. You are always supposed to be looking ahead through the next turn, which requires you to look out the windshield at all kinds of angles.
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jedimario
Oct 8 2014, 11:21 AM
clem24
Oct 8 2014, 10:22 AM
And Daniel, this is a review about a Driver's car... On a track, blind spots don't matter.
Blind spots absolutely do matter on track. You are always supposed to be looking ahead through the next turn, which requires you to look out the windshield at all kinds of angles.
LOL OK yes I agree with you here but when I read Daniel's post, I am thinking of literally the blind spot in your passing zone.. The Camaro can't be THAT bad as to create blind spots in front and to the side. But then again, I remember I once drove a Dodge Magnum and the A pillar in that thing was so thick that I can consider it a blind spot.
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You can fix the passing zone blind spot by adjusting mirrors. There's not much you can do about a super thick a-pillar, which the new Camaros are widely reported to have.
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clem24
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Yeah I'll agree thick A pillars might be an issue but I fail to see how it can be an issue when a car is moving. When I drove that Dodge, it wasn't an issue in everyday traffic, but I did notice sometimes I couldn't see, say a pedestrian while I was stopped at a light, and it was a nightmare in a tight parkade, but those are all scenarios in stopped and low speed traffic. When moving at speed, the A pillar didn't affect anything.
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I usually get several magazines, but I'm planning down on cutting down to just a few. Mom thinks that I should be reading several science magazines, but I'd like to cancel them as many provide platforms for theories that are just a bunch of baloney. Plus, the subscriptions for one of them often costs more than the two I read the most, Popular Mechanics and Road and Track.

Once, I received a Popular Science magazine that contained an article by the atheist nut case Bill Nye that mocked Christians and praised environmentalists. I almost chucked the magazine(and asked Mom to cancel the subscription to that magazine), but later quoted it in an essay criticizing him and his beliefs that I did for college.

Honestly, I think the current gen Camaro is definitely not the best looking. And why call it the car of the year, when it just got recalled?
Edited by cody6268, Oct 8 2014, 04:08 PM.
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The point of being a driver's car is to be involved. The Z/28 is track-oriented vehicle, as were the others in the comparison test. Do you know why the GT500 wasn't included? BECAUSE IT ISN'T NEW.

The focus is to get vehicles that are readily available for racing/tracking, and vehicles that don't need a special "competition package" to do the dirty work for you.

I'm not a fan of the Z/28 but, maybe you should stick to Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords and that ilk.
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Take it from someone who has done track driving and studied the driving part of wheel-to-wheel racing- 180 degree forward visibility is important.

Also, not sure what exactly Colin is trying to say.
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Oct 8 2014, 08:42 PM
The point of being a driver's car is to be involved. The Z/28 is track-oriented vehicle, as were the others in the comparison test. Do you know why the GT500 wasn't included? BECAUSE IT ISN'T NEW.

The focus is to get vehicles that are readily available for racing/tracking, and vehicles that don't need a special "competition package" to do the dirty work for you.

I'm not a fan of the Z/28 but, maybe you should stick to Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords and that ilk.
Thank you I don't subscribe to them anymore because I can't afford to put more muscle in my car because I have other priorities but thanks for caring.
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Oct 8 2014, 10:22 AM
In regards to the new Mustang, the new rear independent suspension might make it seem 'better' on paper, but it also adds over 200lbs to the car over the solid axle. Weight will kill a car and it does not surprise me to hear that it 'feels' worse. Now having said that, I'd hold your breath and wait for the 2.3 Ecoboost. There's HUGE weight savings in that car which should really improve the handling.

And Daniel, this is a review about a Driver's car... On a track, blind spots don't matter.

In any case, we know you're a huge Mustang fan but no reason to get upset just because a magazine disagrees with your own opinion.
If your racing I would like to know what is around me at all times.
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daniel60
Oct 9 2014, 12:50 AM
If your racing I would like to know what is around me at all times.
Like I said.. Very few of us will ever have to opportunity to race against other people. And the proof is in the pudding: Camaro's are currently being raced so I am sure outward visibility is perfectly fine.
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On the road, any of these Camaros will provide brisk performance, a reasonably compliant ride (though the Z/28 is significantly firmer) and respectable handling, while the V8-powered versions should satisfy the most ardent acceleration addicts. The ZL1 and especially the Z/28 are astoundingly capable on a racetrack with their special suspensions. However, in day-to-day driving, the poor outward visibility, mediocre cabin trim, cramped backseat and tiny, oddly shaped trunk opening could be deal-breakers. As such, we'd advise potential buyers to also consider the Camaro's equally classic competitors, the Dodge Challenger and Ford Mustang.

This is a review from Edmunds.com

Hey if you own one that's your choice because it's your money and you should buy what you want. It's just not my choice. Whatever you do be responsible and not race on the street. Until the visibility improves I in my opinion and we all have one would say it isn't a car that I would feel safe driving to and from work. Yes we know Chevrolet is well capable of making fast cars that isn't disputable.
Edited by daniel60, Oct 10 2014, 12:33 PM.
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Having never driven the current Camaro, I can't really comment on performance--on, or off track. They seem to be sitting low and wide, so maybe there's something to that aspect, but I don't care a lot for them. I hated the look when it forst came out, learned to appreciate it a little over time, but would I be interested in this vehicle personally or aestetically...no.

If I won one in a free give-away contest, I wouldn't refuse it. And I like AWs version as a casting. That's about all I can say for any newer Camaros.

Of course, this is just my opinion and everyone else is entitled to their own :)
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I'm a Ford man myself, but I currently drive a Dodge truck, so I don't always follow that instinct.

I think you have to use the same approach when choosing a vehicle for yourself, or what information sources you utilize to help make those decisions. Magazines, like all news outlets in general, have their own spin on what and how they present articles. I think it's always important to step back and ask questions like 1) Who's paying for this? 2) What do they have to gain from this approach? 3) etc., and always remember they all stories have three sides - yours, theirs, and the truth.

I would invest far more trust in something like Consumer Reports to get pointed in the direction I want to go.
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Anyone buying a sport car, muscle car, performance trucks or any unique genre vehicle is really not looking for practicality. When I bought cars like this, gas mileage was never considered along with back seat legroom or rear visibility. And when I started buying trucks it was for the grunt, I most always chose the largest engine. If I was worried about mileage I would have moved over to a Honda Iliad or a Nissan Odyssey... on second thought an Aerostar or Windstar. Oh never mind. A Falcon-based Econoline van. I guess I am showing my True Blue Ford blood.
Edited by Hosspower98, Oct 10 2014, 01:30 PM.
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Oct 10 2014, 01:11 PM
I'm a Ford man myself, but I currently drive a Dodge truck, so I don't always follow that instinct.

I think you have to use the same approach when choosing a vehicle for yourself, or what information sources you utilize to help make those decisions. Magazines, like all news outlets in general, have their own spin on what and how they present articles. I think it's always important to step back and ask questions like 1) Who's paying for this? 2) What do they have to gain from this approach? 3) etc., and always remember they all stories have three sides - yours, theirs, and the truth.

I would invest far more trust in something like Consumer Reports to get pointed in the direction I want to go.
Rodney, I always thought Consumer Reports as a very biased source of data.
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Oct 10 2014, 01:27 PM
thelostcleric
Oct 10 2014, 01:11 PM
I'm a Ford man myself, but I currently drive a Dodge truck, so I don't always follow that instinct.

I think you have to use the same approach when choosing a vehicle for yourself, or what information sources you utilize to help make those decisions. Magazines, like all news outlets in general, have their own spin on what and how they present articles. I think it's always important to step back and ask questions like 1) Who's paying for this? 2) What do they have to gain from this approach? 3) etc., and always remember they all stories have three sides - yours, theirs, and the truth.

I would invest far more trust in something like Consumer Reports to get pointed in the direction I want to go.
Rodney, I always thought Consumer Reports as a very biased source of data.
Most "sources of data" are biased. Not that you can't find reliable information...but often that comes from comparing several sources and weighing the common denominators, Vs. your own tastes and opinions, hands on experience, etc.

One thing that's tough to get around: technology may be enabling us to produce more efficient cars, even some that would look like technology from a science fiction movie or space ship back in the 50's and 60's. But they aren't really building them tougher.
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I want to tell you Camaro Guys or GM Guys that I'm sorry for my rant. I read again about the Camaro and it's handling superiority and it's ok. I'm happy with the Mustang and I don't think most people race around a track and I'm sure I overacted no doubt. The New Mustang has even been criticized but that's o.k. too. We live in a free Country for the most part ( I will not elaborate on what I think some issues are political because Politics aren't discussed here respectively speaking) and we drive what we want and that's o.k. too.
Edited by daniel60, Oct 31 2014, 12:16 PM.
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I go to one of those Motor Trend auto shows every year, and get a free subscription there, only because the month of the show, the magazine comes with free tickets to the show haha. I rarely ever read them.

I dislike American cars as a general rule, but there's no doubt they've come so far. I love the new Mustang, it looks a genuine competitor for some of the rest of the world's sports cars. But the Camaro does absolutely nothing for me, it never has. And I'm generally a GM guy when I do go for US brands.
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