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Todd Gurley is Suspended indefintely
Topic Started: Oct 10 2014, 02:37 PM (458 Views)
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Being a Georgian living in South Carolina isn't easy being a Bulldog fan instead of a Gamecock fan. It isn't easy when your Team loses to Carolina but now it just got worse. Gurley has been suspended for what rumor says he signed autographs for money. The figure was 400 dollars worth. What is amazing is how these Colleges make millions on these players and suspend him on selling his autograph. What is amazing is they put their butt on the line and get injured or maybe permanently injured for no compensation at all but for maybe a Scholarship. Yeah they can continue on and if they are the cream of the crop they can make the NFL and then still they may not play. Yes College isn't cheap but playing a game such as Football where it is known now in the NFL that one third of the players who play will have brain damage. Is it so bad that a kid who maybe was brought up in Jerkwater, USA can sell an Autograph? A lot of these kids have nothing when they come to the campus and came from nothing. Now I read today that Gurley is evil because he was greedy and made himself some money. Well if you think so just think about the College who profits in such large volumes with TV games being broadcast ed, Sales of clothing, Ticket Sales and so on. Yes I know he knew better and maybe I will start a flame war yet again but these players deserved more than they get.
Edited by daniel60, Oct 10 2014, 02:42 PM.
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Agreed, that's total crap. Licensing is like that unfortunately. For example, in my career as a comic book artist, you were allowed to draw say, a picture of Spiderman and sell it it on ebay, or at a comic book convention to a fan. Technically, the company would agree this was a form of copyright infringement--if they wanted to be nasty. But having the artist draw their characters was also a way of promoting the characters as well...and everyone benefited from fandom's word of mouth and eagerness to go buy the next issue of Spiderman, or see the next movie.

Now, if it became known that the same artist was making thousands of dollars by mass producing their work, the company would no longer turn a blind eye to the sales of their property. They would either issue a cease and desist, or if they really made a lot of cash, they could get sued or even blackballed.

So it depends on exactly how much money the player made Vs. how much money other players would make if they followed suite. They just feel threatened by all the POTENTIAL money they can't get their hands on if everyone started doing it.
Edited by Dragnet_Supporter, Oct 10 2014, 07:44 PM.
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Where does the NFL come into this exactly???
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Oct 10 2014, 06:10 PM
Where does the NFL come into this exactly???
Edited--sorry. Not a huge sports fan :wave:
Edited by Dragnet_Supporter, Oct 10 2014, 07:45 PM.
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Oct 10 2014, 04:19 PM
Agreed, that's total crap. Licensing is like that unfortunately. For example, in my career as a comic book artist, you were allowed to draw say, a picture of Spiderman and sell it it on ebay, or at a comic book convention to a fan. Technically, the company would agree this was a form of copyright infringement--if they wanted to be nasty. But having the artist draw their characters was also a way of promoting the characters as well...and everyone benefited from fandom's word of mouth and eagerness to go buy the next issue of Spiderman, or see the next movie.

Now, if it became known that the same artist was making thousands of dollars by mass producing their work, the company would no longer turn a blind eye to the sales of their property. They would either issue a cease and desist, or if they really made a lot of cash, they could get sued or even blackballed.

So it depends on exactly how much money the player made Vs. how much money other players would make if they followed suite. They just feel threatened by all the POTENTIAL money they can't get their hands on if everyone started doing it.
What all characters did you draw? I'm also a comic collector.

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Oct 10 2014, 11:55 PM
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Oct 10 2014, 04:19 PM
Agreed, that's total crap. Licensing is like that unfortunately. For example, in my career as a comic book artist, you were allowed to draw say, a picture of Spiderman and sell it it on ebay, or at a comic book convention to a fan. Technically, the company would agree this was a form of copyright infringement--if they wanted to be nasty. But having the artist draw their characters was also a way of promoting the characters as well...and everyone benefited from fandom's word of mouth and eagerness to go buy the next issue of Spiderman, or see the next movie.

Now, if it became known that the same artist was making thousands of dollars by mass producing their work, the company would no longer turn a blind eye to the sales of their property. They would either issue a cease and desist, or if they really made a lot of cash, they could get sued or even blackballed.

So it depends on exactly how much money the player made Vs. how much money other players would make if they followed suite. They just feel threatened by all the POTENTIAL money they can't get their hands on if everyone started doing it.
What all characters did you draw? I'm also a comic collector.

^_^
I was an inker...back in the day when actual inking was done. I've penciled and inked a couple of pin ups and two 12 page stories for an indy company. But for Marvel, DC, Darkhorse, Image, and several others, I inked:

The Ray, Punisher, Spiderman, StormWatch, Star Wars were the top names I spent the most time with doing monthly, or several projects with. But I've done one shots, mini-series, and fill in issues of many others. Probably the only major character I didn't get to work on for publication, even to a small degree, was Batman. Though I certainly wanted to.
Edited by Dragnet_Supporter, Oct 11 2014, 09:04 AM.
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Johnny Manziel makes 7000 dollars of autographs=1/2 game suspension.
Todd Gurley makes 400$ (not even proven) off autographs, under investigation. Suspended indefinitely.

Yes I think prejudice is a live and well.


Edited by daniel60, Oct 11 2014, 06:51 PM.
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Oct 11 2014, 09:01 AM
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Oct 10 2014, 11:55 PM
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Oct 10 2014, 04:19 PM
Agreed, that's total crap. Licensing is like that unfortunately. For example, in my career as a comic book artist, you were allowed to draw say, a picture of Spiderman and sell it it on ebay, or at a comic book convention to a fan. Technically, the company would agree this was a form of copyright infringement--if they wanted to be nasty. But having the artist draw their characters was also a way of promoting the characters as well...and everyone benefited from fandom's word of mouth and eagerness to go buy the next issue of Spiderman, or see the next movie.

Now, if it became known that the same artist was making thousands of dollars by mass producing their work, the company would no longer turn a blind eye to the sales of their property. They would either issue a cease and desist, or if they really made a lot of cash, they could get sued or even blackballed.

So it depends on exactly how much money the player made Vs. how much money other players would make if they followed suite. They just feel threatened by all the POTENTIAL money they can't get their hands on if everyone started doing it.
What all characters did you draw? I'm also a comic collector.

^_^
I was an inker...back in the day when actual inking was done. I've penciled and inked a couple of pin ups and two 12 page stories for an indy company. But for Marvel, DC, Darkhorse, Image, and several others, I inked:

The Ray, Punisher, Spiderman, StormWatch, Star Wars were the top names I spent the most time with doing monthly, or several projects with. But I've done one shots, mini-series, and fill in issues of many others. Probably the only major character I didn't get to work on for publication, even to a small degree, was Batman. Though I certainly wanted to.
That is really awesome! I'm a huge fan of Spider-man and Batman, and more recently Marvel is general.

Rodney

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Wow my thread has been kidnapped but it doesn't matter no one is participating anyway.
Edited by daniel60, Oct 12 2014, 02:46 PM.
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Sorry about that Daniel. I won't go into any further details here. It's just that my past experience was the best example I could come up with to illustrate copyright infringement and how big business operatives feel about their employees making money on the side from what a corporations feels is their property. They view it as stealing unless it can be attributed to a handful of sporadic items (in which case they may turn a blind eye), going to a charity, or something along those lines. Does it make it right if someone's career and livelihood take the hit? Not usually. Business--whether it's selling cars, or sports items--can be very ugly.

Rodney, you can PM me if you want further info.
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No I didn't mean any bad will. No one is interested in this conversation anyway. I will retract if you want. You are the nicest person on this board.
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Robert I was wanting to talk about it and no one was interested that was my disappointment.
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Totally unnecessary. The boards have been pretty slow at times lately. And during those times when we come to vent, or chat to escape our daily doldrums...it can be frustrating sometimes. I took nothing in stated in a bad way. But neither did I think about getting too OT either. So I didn't want to turn this into an entirely different subject on you. So no harm, not foul.
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Another thing I like to add about Gurley is Cam Newton won the Heiseman Trophy while playing college football and did anyone know he was a Florida Gator before that and was dropped from the team for stealing a computer from someone's Dorm Room and then tossed it out the window when the police arrived. Cam went on to Auburn and won the Heiseman Trophy but Todd Gurley is criminal for signing autographs of his likeness for profit because it is against the rules. I see this as a stupid rule to begin with and it isn't criminal.
Edited by daniel60, Oct 12 2014, 03:39 PM.
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Another thing I like to add about Gurley is Cam Newton won the Heiseman Trophy while playing college football and did anyone know he was a Florida Gator before that and was dropped from the team for stealing a computer from someone's Dorm Room and then tossed it out the window when the police arrived. Cam went on to Auburn and won the Heiseman Trophy but Todd Gurley is criminal for signing autographs of his likeness for profit because it is against the rules. I see this as a stupid rule to begin with and it isn't criminal.
Hopefully that's the case his lawyer will make. It's his autograph. And novelists sign dozens of books for book stores they appear at so the book store can sell autographed copies. The point a lawyer will have to make is whether such writers get paid for their autographs. Some do get a fee for their appearance--even if the fee is plane fare and room and board if they are traveling any distance.

In this example, if any talent/professional has a signing, and their company tells them to do it, they might not get paid, or get payed only traveling expenses. But if the signing is done because a shop calls the talent/professional directly, some type of fee is usually exchanged for their appearance/signing.

Edited by Dragnet_Supporter, Oct 12 2014, 04:16 PM.
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Support your local demo derby.

The main issue is college athletes are defined by NCAA as 'amateurs' and thus by their own by-laws unable to receive money from signing their own names. Never mind the NCAA makes a mint every year from these amateurs. They go to great lengths in advertising that most of these student athletes will 'go pro' in something other than sports. It's only a small example of how corrupt and hypocritical that organization is.
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Daniel, I think this is a pretty important topic and I believe the way the NCAA treats its athletes is ethically repulsive. I haven't given it much response though because I read about this crap all the time and just feel like there is nothing left to say about it. Perhaps, though, persistently calling out the NCAA is the only way to get them to change.
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Sorry guys - I should have sent Dragnet a PM.
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Oct 12 2014, 10:49 PM
Sorry guys - I should have sent Dragnet a PM.
Dude please your cool there is no offense taken. :thumbup:
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