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'89 -'70 Shelby GT350, GT500
Topic Started: May 10 2015, 09:55 AM (619 Views)
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Some nice Shelbys there. I believe these are the only major variations of the 1st gen Mustang I don't have represented by any manufacturer in my collection. Gonna have to change that someday soon.
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Dang....there are some nice one there
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Not to fond of the first two pictures but the rest is Beautiful Ford Machinery.
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Again a lot of gorgeous models from your fantastic collection Jack, love those pics and models :thumbup: :wave:
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:thumbup: Nice assortment of Blue Oval goodies!
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Some of my favorites. I wish JL would have done a 70 fastback Shelby
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Thanks for the comments guys.

Here is a bit of Wiki info about the '69 -'70 Shelbys.

The GTs lost their Cobra tag for 1969 and once again were marketed simply as Shelby GT 350 and Shelby GT 500. The GT 350 and GT 500 for the 1969 model year received an extensive face lift, the body alone increasing in length by 4 inches (100 mm). Ford was involved with design and style decisions, with Shelby having little input. The GT 350 was now equipped with a 351 cubic-inch V8. Carroll Shelby terminated his agreement with Ford in the summer of 1969.

No production of 1970 Shelby GT 350 and 500 models was undertaken; however, unsold 1969 models were given 1970 vehicle identification numbers under FBI supervision. The 1970 models had two cosmetic changes, a front chin spoiler and two black hood stripes. The rest of the changes had to do with emissions .GT500 had the carburetor modified and marked "ed" (edited) on tag. The GT500 distributor was also changed to the 70 version. The GT350 had the distributor changed to a 70 version. A total of 789 were re-VIN'd.
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Why did Carroll Shelby terminate his contract? Funny I would have stayed with that before that 4 cylinder Dodge Charger in the early eighties.
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Carroll Shelby had a falling-out with Ford in the seventies. They didn't make amends until 2003.

From Ford Racing:

Bunkie Knudsen took over as Ford president in 1968 and brought the Shelby Mustang operations “in-house” while Ford embarked on the Boss Mustang program, which was the beginning of the end of the Ford-Shelby relationship until the final 1970 Shelby Mustangs were sold.

Similarly, upper management changes at Ford in 2005 reintroduced Shelby to the Ford Mustang when his name became the lead brand on the SVT Mustang Cobra in ’06 that came to market as the 2007-2014 Shelby GT500. Shelby and Ford Racing also teamed up to massage a series of Mustang GTs and market them as “Shelby GTs,” plus have recently offered a variety of other limited-edition specialty SVT Mustangs, including a 45th Anniversary GT500KR. To this day, Carroll Shelby's name is still synonymous with Ford performance.
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May 11 2015, 10:27 AM
Why did Carroll Shelby terminate his contract? Funny I would have stayed with that before that 4 cylinder Dodge Charger in the early eighties.
Judging by how he talked about the capabilities of the Shelby-MOPARs, I don't think he was disappointed to be working with the newer 4 cylinder FFs when they could keep up with and beat the classic Shelbys.

HotRod Magazine's "Shelby GLHS Whips GT350" Article

From HotRod Magazine:

So you thought Carroll Shelby was out of it, reduced to the second-fiddle role of keeping all the performance car promises Lee Iaccoca was making about Chrysler products. Perhaps you even figured the Ol' Master was talking out of the side of his mouth when he spoke (HRM June '85) of low-cost, four-cylinder front-wheel-drive mini cars that can go out and beat up on the big stuff. Well, don't feel bad, so did we. Till Now.

Carroll Shelby is back, and he's just fired the first bullet in his battle with the performance car world--the Shelby GLHS. Seems Shelby is setting up shop again. It's back in the trenches for the man who's been busy consulting with Chrysler Corporation for the past three years. Though his plans haven't changed on that score, he'll still be developing hardware for the "Dodge Boys," and now he intends to build cars the bean counters won't let Iacocca make.

If there's one question Shelby dislikes hearing about his new activity, it's: "Will it be like the good old days?" Without our ever asking, Shelby made it perfectly clear that the new Shelby Automobiles, Inc. won't be building any 427 Cobras, GT350's, or GT500 Mustangs. "We'll be building today's cars...you boys had better learn to deal with that fact." And just to prove it, we let Shelby lead us like sheep to slaughter at a track test setup to preview the new Shelby-version Omni Turbo GLHS.

Using Willow springs International Raceway as their introduction location the Shelby group put the automotive press in a standard 1986 Omni GLH Tubo for a comparison baseline. Content to be impressed with the car's lap times (the current model is not weak-wristed), we took the bait --hook, line, and sinker.

The mile-wide grins dominating the faces of the Shelby PR people should have told us something as they strapped us in the shiny black GLHS. By the end of the pit straight, the gig was up. By the entrance to Turn One, so was our heart rate. Quicker? Quicker doesn't even come close. By Turn Two (a sweeping, slightly uphill right hander), a corner we had been entering flat-out in the standard GLH, we now arrived going so much quicker we had to lift and tap the brakes. Yes folks, this puppy is definitely quicker. Lots quicker.

And it's quicker everywhere! On the straights, in the turns, everywhere. It took us three laps just to catch up to the thing, but by three more we were comfortable and having at it. The car pulls down the straight like a strong V8, and it works in a corner like some of the best set-up, conventional rear-drive performance platforms. If it showed us any weakness, it was the brakes. The darn thing can just plain be driven harder than its brakes can stop it. One of our return trips to the pits was made all the more spectacular by a front-disc brake fire. A point was made in the GLHS's favor, given that the stock pads were brand-new and not properly burnished for this kind of use. But who could resist driving the little monster this hard? Not us.

After the initial shock wore off we started to better appreciate just what a watershed car this is. For starters, it was all the things Shelby had been telling us it could be--a low cost(about $11,000), front-wheel-drive (because that's what Chrysler is manufacturing today), four-cylinder (mileage and economy still call the shots), turbocharged (because some folks still want to enjoy driving a car) little car (because today it's required to make better use of space and materials). In short, it has all the earmarks of a "today" car, not those of the mid-Sixties.

To further prove the point, we pitted the Shelby of "today" against the Shelby of "the good old days." We brought to the test a 1965 Shelby GT350 Mustang. A watershed car in its own time, it would now stand toe-to-toe with the future and slug it out; a no-holds-barred contest for technical supremacy. A fair fight? Not really. By our perspective the GT350 was playing with a stacked deck, but what better way to make Shelby prove his point?

The car we used belongs to Shelby American Automobile Club member Phil Schmit. Schmit's not a rookie to Shelby products. He not only restored his own GT350, but his 427 Cobra as well, both of which he drives in SAAC track events Considered by his fellow club members to be a quick Shelby driver, Schmit was chosen to champion "the good ol' days."

The two cars took to the track looking as mis-matched as David and Goliath. It was a growling V8 against a muffled, straight four--a fat rubbered, rear-drive, 3000-pound musclecar versus a gumballed, front-drive, 2300-pound shoebox. Surely Shelby was starting to sweat. The contest came to speed in a hurry, as the GLHS took off in an effort to stretch an advantage, with the GT350 in hot pursuit. The gap opened to about 10 car lengths, where it remained for three rapid laps. Much to our amazement, the GT350 showed no significant advantage anywhere on the course. It reeled in a few car lengths at the exit of the low-speed corners, but was held at bay down the remaining straights. The GLHS had slightly higher corner entrance speeds and was able to pull out a few lengths in the really tight stuff.

The cornering performance of the GLHS surprised us, and why not? The GT350 Shelby Mustang had won on race courses over the country in the mid-Sixties (we might add, against Corvettes, Cobras, and Jags), yet the way the GLHS held the Mustang off down the long straights really blew our minds. Both cars recorded 125 mph at the exit of the back straight.

Feeling a wealth of confidence, we backed off the throttle in the GLHS, letting it charge about 10 car lengths ahead. With both cars back up to speed, another three-lap ding-dong developed: this time the GLHS closed up. By mid-point of the second lap the GLHS was on the trunk of the GT350. To pass it would serve no point. The cars returned to the pits together. Shelby beamed.

On paper this whipping should not have happened. The GT350--with Schmit's admittedly "smiled on" motor putting out about 350 horsepower, its high-powered cornering ability, its large disk brakes and Detroit locker rear-end--should have put it to the shoebox with shark's teeth.


Bewildered, Schmit, along with the rest of us, put the obvious question to Shelby. How? He calmly explained that it was a matter of "...efficiency. For three years now my guys have been playing with engines. You konw, heads, pistons, turbos, superchargers, the whole range, just looking for ways to make that 2.2-liter engine think it's a 5-liter V8. Turbos, which I've been telling you guys for years, are the only way to go in a small-displacement vehicle." Shelby goes on: "Scott Harvey heads our engineering team, and he's had Neil Hannemann developing the chassis, while the engine team--Jerry Mallicoat and Jim Broske--worked with our electronics engineer, Alex Koral to really make the power we needed. Engine detail changes for the GLHS include an air-to-air intercooler that cools the compressed air by as much as 100 degrees F, allowing more of it to be forced into the combustion chamber. As a result, the turbocharger's boost can be bumped up to 12psi, as compared to the standard GLH's maximum of 9psi. A tuned multi-point fuel-injection manifold, with longer intake runners, help improve the distribution of the fuel/air mixture. All this adds up to a 30-horsepower increase and a broader powerband to 175 ft.-lbs. at 4600 rpm. The durability homework was done by the Powerplant Engineering group and the Special Vehicles team back in Highland Park, Michigan."

Shelby brags that the car was designed as a package. "Steve Hope, who, like Harvey, has been a racer for years, put it all together. Chassis, engine, electronics, everything. To make this little monster effective, as a real world car that a young couple could afford to buy, but would enjoy gettin' out in. Turned out it could blow the doors off cars that cost four or five times as much."

Its quarter-mile times do nothing to discount Shelby's statement. Passes at 14.7 @ 94 mph make the GLHS one of the 10 fastest production turbo cars in the world. Its 0 to 50 time of 4.57 seconds makes it a real stoplight racer and puts nearly every other car in danger of a short-race whipping. On the skidpad, where the car's lateral acceleration is measured, it pulled an amazing .88g. It's a fighter of the pocket-rocket variety, no doubt about it.

As for progress, Shelby's benchmark of 20 years ago ran 15.7 @ 91 mph in the quarter, with 0 to 60 times of 7 seconds (see Motor Trend and Sports Car Graphic, May '65)--in its day a very hot machine. But Shelby is quick to add, "I would have been sorely disappointed if I hadn't been able to build a faster, more efficient car today. It's a sign of the times." Shelby goes on to say, "It's a lot of little car for the money. We're givin' it Koni adjustable gas shocks, our new 15x6 Centurion cast wheels with Goodyear 205/50/15VR Eagle Gatorbacks, a 175-hp turbocharged, intercooled engine, a special gauge group with some real information on it, and rollbar and oil cooler option for the guys who might want to go race the darn thing."

Current production plans call for only 500 of the black demons to be built. Assigned a Shelby serial number, they shouldn't be in the dealer's showroom for long. First production versions are due to roll of the new Shelby Automobile, Inc. assembly lines in mid-March. When pressed about expanding the production numbers, Shelby replied that "If the demand is that great, we'd take a look at it."

Shelby Automobiles, Inc. is going to be a small production car group building specialty cars aimed at a narrow market segment. Shelby's goal is to build cars that will focus on the current tehcnology and take advantage of the engineering breakthroughs that continue to take place. "We'll be able to respond quickly to the latest thinking," says Shelby. "Our group is already developing hardware for the Lancer and Daytona. We've go some slick stuff coming down the pike for you."

Seems the Ol' Master wasn't talking out the side of his mouth these last few years. Shelby has made his point, and he plans to keep on making it. It might not be like the good old days, but it's sure to be as interesting.
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Judging by how he talked about the capabilities of the Shelby-MOPARs, I don't think he was disappointed to be working with the newer 4 cylinder FFs when they could keep up with and beat the classic Shelbys.


Maybe I should of said K-mart Styling. I know four cylinders can be competitive and I forget that sometimes and we are all entitled to what we like. What a boring world it would be if we were all the same. I love the sound of the V-8 motor and will say honestly I can't wait to out run the Honda with the Fart can every chance I see them (never lost yet). Something about a car with a Fart Can reminds me of a wanna be. Yes there are some 4 cylinders that can out run me on the top end but sure as heck can't out run me from redlight to redlight my point is if your are competitive be competitive and not a Wannabe and I'm not fond of the four cylinder sound and that's my feeling on that. Let me say one more thing and that is I don't dislike everything that isn't an eight cylinder either. There are people I know who a own Nissan z370 and one with a GTR and I have nothing against them and would enjoy driving them no doubt. If I didn't know any better I would think you couldn't wait to copy and paste your article. Do you like V-8s? Also know cars get faster over time. Your times on your Charger aren't too fast by today's standards. If I had to own a Charger which is in no doubt of the best cars of all time I would drive the one from the 60s, a 1969 to be precise, it's pure beauty to the eyes and sounds like a Muscle Car and that is what it is. You can drive your four and I'll drive my 8.
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I was approaching it more from the engineering standpoint than how they look or sound. If you've built a bunch of cars that all follow the same pattern (no matter what that pattern may be), sometimes it's fun to build something different. Even better if it appears to be an underdog. I get the feeling a lot of guys who are involved with engineering cars, it's what goes into engineering them that makes them enthusiastic about the car, with the body just being a wrapper that holds all the cool bits.

I'm sure had he of desired to there could have been a Shelby Foxstang or Camaro or Firebird that would have done similar to the GLHS as the GLHS did to the GT350, but at the end of the day that would just be an updated version of what he was building all along, so it might not have been as fun and exciting of project to be involved with.

Based on the article, I'd still rather show up at the track in the GT350, even if I switch to the GLHS for on the track... but I'd rather win in the ugly car than lose in the pretty one. :lol:

I didn't post it to be negative to the older Shelbys though. More just to point out 'He seemed to be content with his new projects, he didn't seem to be dwelling on the past.' Technology marches on and it's interesting to see just how dramatic the results are.

My tastes are all over the place, I can appreciate a good V8 as much as any other engine. Most of the cars I like are too small for normal sized V8s (>3500cc) to fit in, but that doesn't mean I don't like them in cars they'll suit.
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May 11 2015, 12:18 PM
I was approaching it more from the engineering standpoint than how they look or sound. If you've built a bunch of cars that all follow the same pattern (no matter what that pattern may be), sometimes it's fun to build something different. Even better if it appears to be an underdog. I get the feeling a lot of guys who are involved with engineering cars, it's what goes into engineering them that makes them enthusiastic about the car, with the body just being a wrapper that holds all the cool bits.

I'm sure had he of desired to there could have been a Shelby Foxstang or Camaro or Firebird that would have done similar to the GLHS as the GLHS did to the GT350, but at the end of the day that would just be an updated version of what he was building all along, so it might not have been as fun and exciting of project to be involved with.

Based on the article, I'd still rather show up at the track in the GT350, even if I switch to the GLHS for on the track... but I'd rather win in the ugly car than lose in the pretty one. :lol:

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May 11 2015, 11:31 AM


If I had to own a Charger which is in no doubt of the best cars of all time I would drive the one from the 60s, a 1969 to be precise, it's pure beauty to the eyes and sounds like a Muscle Car and that is what it is.
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I rather lose in the ugly car than lose in the pretty one........

With that I say this and this pretty much sums it up and that is anyone can go fast but it's how you look and sound when you achieve that.
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May 11 2015, 12:34 PM
I rather lose in the ugly car than lose in the pretty one........

With that I say this and this pretty much sums it up and that is anyone can go fast but it's how you look and sound when you achieve that.
Things always look better from the top of the podium, but let's hijack in another direction...

Hypothetically speaking, what do you think an '89 Shelby Mustang would be? Would he have gone with a 351, a 5.0, the SVO engine, the Cosworth engine or something else entirely? Would it be a proper complete package, or an appearance package to get nostalgia sales?
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If I am not mistaken Mr. Shelby approached GM on the AC Cobra development. They turned him down not wanting anything to interfere with their beloved Corvette.

I love the bantering that constantly goes on between Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge vs Asian vs European vs 4 door 4 cylinder, sport coupe, V8 exhaust buzz vs burble, raised and rakish vs slammed, stance, style, striped, no striped, stickers and fart canned, vs Bassani and no stickers. Now that was a run-on-sentence!
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Hey, hey... Looking very, very sweet... Ya know I love em'... LOL
Awesome pics too!!!
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