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Car of the Day: September 13, 2015; CM's '85 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
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Today's car of the day is CM's 1985 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16

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The styling of the 205 is often thought to be a Pininfarina design, however Gerard Welter claims it as an in-house; Pininfarina only styled the Cabriolet. It is often credited as the car which turned Peugeot's fortunes around. Before the 205, Peugeot was considered the most conservative of France's "big three" car manufacturers, producing large saloons such as the 504 and 505. The genesis of the 205 lay within Peugeot's takeover in 1978 of Simca, which had the necessary expertise in making small cars. Early 205s used the X engine (commonly nicknamed the Douvrin "Suitcase Engine") from the older Peugeot 104, although these were later (1987-1988) replaced with the newer XU and TU-series engines, which were of PSA design. Engines ranged from 954 cc to 1905 cc engine displacement, in carburettor or fuel injected petrol and diesel versions. Its use of the now standard PSA Peugeot Citroën suspension layout of MacPherson struts at the front, with torsion bar suspension rear suspension, that debuted in the Peugeot 305 estate, was a key ingredient of the success of the 205. This is fully independent using torsion bars (Torsion spring) and trailing arms. It is very compact and was designed to minimise suspension intrusion into the boot, giving a wide flat loadspace, while providing excellent ride and handling.


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For more information and pictures on the real car, please visit: Peugeot 205

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I hope everyone likes rally cars. If not, fair warning. What we have here is a theme week. Having recently purchased a large lot of CM's rally cars, I thought it would be fitting to feature a full week of them (read: I'm lazy and a theme week is easy). But with as nice as CM's are, hopefully you won't mind. This car won a WRC victory in the 1985 1000 Lakes Rally in Finland, driven by Timo Salonen and Seppo Harjanne.

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To homologate the 205 T16 ("Turbo 16" in France) Group B rally car, Peugeot had to produce 200 road-going examples. According to the Group B regulations, these had to be based on a current production road car. Peugeot decided to base the Group B rally car on the two door version of the 205. The engine was based on the cast iron block of the Diesel version of the then new XU engine family, albeit with a specially developed 16-valve head. The gearbox came from the Citroen SM but was mounted transversely. The car had all wheel drive. The body was built by Heuliez, where standard three door bodyshells from the production line were delivered and heavily modified. Heuliez cut off the complete rear of the car and welded in a transverse firewall between the B-posts. The rear frame was then built in a mixture of sheet steel profiles and tubes. The front was modified in a similar way with a tube frame carrying the front suspension. The completed bodies were delivered to Simca (Talbot) for the 200-series production cars and to Peugeot Talbot Sport for the competition versions. All street versions (VINs P1 to P200) were left hand drive and identically kitted out in dark grey colour, except the first (VIN P1) that was painted white and carried all the competition cars’ decoration for demonstration purposes. The competition cars of the first evolution series (VIN C1 to C20) were built at the sport department Peugeot Talbot Sport and presented to the public at the same day as the standard street version. Later competition vehicles of the Evolution 2 series (VIN C201 to C220) were built differently as the rear spaceframe had no more sheet steel profiles in it but was completely made from tubes only.

Apart from the appearance, the road variants had practically nothing in common with the regular production model and shared the transverse mid-engine, four-wheel drive layout of the rally car, but had less than half the power; at around 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp). The T was for Turbo; the 16 stands for 16 valves. Outwardly similar to a normal 205, the T16 had wider wheel arches, and the whole rear section lifted up to give access to the engine. Underneath, the complex drivetrain from the rally car was kept to abide by the Group B rules In addition to the Group B model, the lesser 205 GTI was also FIA approved for competition in the Group N and Group A categories.

Peugeot Talbot Sport's factory 205 T16s under Jean Todt were the most successful cars to compete in the last two years of the World Rally Championship's Group B era, winning the 1985 and 1986 Constructors' and Drivers' titles with Timo Salonen and Juha Kankkunen respectively against such notable competition from Audi, Lancia and Ford, with an Evolution 2 model being introduced for the latter of those two seasons.


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Hobie-wan
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Hooray for bonkers rally car week.
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pjedsel
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:thumbup: A Pug! Great looking rally car. The CM's rally cars are awesome. So nicely detailed and the little antenna on the top is a nice detail addition.
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juantoo3
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I don't know what it is...I *hate* econoboxes. Seriously. Can't stand.

But slap rallye stickers on them and I love them! What can I say?
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Back in the "Good Old Days", before Speed Channel was sold to become just another generic sports channel, I used to love watching International Rally. But Speed Channel is long gone and with it any chance of being able to watch Rallying with any regularity. This Peugeot has me remembering what it was like "Way Back When". :(
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New casting? Quick! Take it apart!
I'm not sure what I'm looking at on the lower body....airflow dams or mudflaps??? The casting looks very good, but if it were all white it would be just another econobox which are the most uninspiring cars I could think of, and plenty of them were designed on the back of a cocktail napkin. A grade school kid could design better. That said, I like this casting very much because of the scheme used.
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There is a difference between econobox and hatchback. I also hate econoboxes. But I love hatchbacks, particularly hot hatches. The difference being are they driver and design oriented or are they built for cost cutting with comfort and performance bearing no weight in it's design. Ford Fiesta, no thanks. Ford Focus, yes please. VW Polo, no thanks. VW GTI, most definitely yes please. Uninspiring design can be found in any body shape and great design can equally be found in any body shape. Think hatchbacks are boring or uninspiring? The Lancia Delta Integrale would beg to differ:

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Yes, it is a box. Yes, it is angular and not curvy. But it is one of the most perfectly tailored designs in existence.
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Sep 13 2015, 11:45 PM
I'm not sure what I'm looking at on the lower body....airflow dams or mudflaps???
I'm not sure where you're looking, but both depending. I'm guessing you mean the front bumper, which is some sort of spoiler or aero bit of some sort, plus the trucker sized mud flaps behind all four wheels.
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