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Yatming 1015 - "Ford"; LTD Country Squire w/ faux wood panels
Topic Started: May 11 2016, 02:23 PM (1,093 Views)
atombaum
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No notes on where or when this was snarfed, but it's been a favorite - probably because my dad was a "Ford man" and we had a series of Torino and LTD wagons back in the day. I think Country Squire (CS) was Top of the Line, but I could be wrong. We had some with wood panels, but don't think he ever sprung for the CS. The grille also reminds me of his 1972 T-Bird with the protruding center section.

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Ripa
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A Metal base?
I have the exact same body with the wood panelling as Edocar with a plastic base. That is from around 1990 or 1991 and has been with me ever since.

Is also have some later versions with different paint jobs with only "Made in China" in the bottom.
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atombaum
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Speaking of base plates, seems weird that so many manufacturers don't take credit for their work. I mean, they omit their own company or brand names. Who wants to be anonymous in this business? I can understand if some company is copying an existing mold or casting. Maybe Yatming was doing that. I am not sure.
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FWIW...Yatming castings were sold under a wide variety of trade names. I'm pretty sure some would have been contracted, for instance the Imperial issues. I'm not familiar with the Edocar issues, but I am not the least surprised to hear they are out there. The more we learn about Yatming, the more surprises turn up. My point being, at least in this case and Summer, not having a name on the base would make it easier to apply (by sticker) the name of whoever contracted them for a given release, or leaving it blank altogether and let the packaging do the talking.
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Ripa
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Edocar looks like this (me 25 years ago apologizes for the condition)

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microbuss
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I has ones that are in Fire Chief, Police & this one I think

Always did like wood grain on the sides of cars
even if it went to plastic after the 1950s ;)
Even I wanna do the Simulated Wood Grain on a new Chrysler Town & Country van
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Hobie-wan
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Another possible reason for lack of markings might be to obscure origin when it comes to unauthorized copies. Mattel starts asking questions of a retailer and they say "I dunno, we got it from warehouse supplier XYZ", then the warehouse says "I got it from ABC" and so on and someone can deny it was made by them with no info?
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Hobie-wan
May 12 2016, 02:53 PM
Another possible reason for lack of markings might be to obscure origin when it comes to unauthorized copies. Mattel starts asking questions of a retailer and they say "I dunno, we got it from warehouse supplier XYZ", then the warehouse says "I got it from ABC" and so on and someone can deny it was made by them with no info?
Perhaps. I don't know the exact date it went into effect, I'm thinking sometime in the early 70s, is when international trade law required place of origin labeling. I have a Kenner race car, "Super Sport" series...they only made three models (the others are a Dodge pickup and a Pontiac Firebird)...and the base has *no* information on it at all, because that info wasn't required if the model was made in the market it was sold in. Since it was made in the USA and sold in the USA, it was not required by US trade laws to have anything written on the base.

Which makes these three Kenner models VERY hard to track down, many collectors don't know what they are and presume they are Matchbox or Tootsie or something else "generic."

Point being, having a blank base isn't necessarily to avoid any laws, it may well be in compliance depending on date of manufacture. A blank base also makes it easier to apply labels to the base, labels that may have origin as well as trade names on them and easily removed by a child. So there are a number of possible reasons "why?"
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Hobie-wan
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On the opposite direction, you've got a lot of the lesser brands that went the other way. Earlier cars from Zee/Zylmex, Yat Ming, Summer, even obscure stuff like the CF cars that had more information on them early on, then the later stuff slowly lost more and more of the information off the bottom.

But we're all theorizing. Without tracking down some (ex) management from a factory that made them, I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
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Did a little looking at Edocar on the 'bay today...LOTS of recent Maisto castings, which tells me Edocar is like Imperial or some of the others that commissions(ed) models to be sold with their name on them.
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I've told the story so many times before that I hesitated to again here, but Edocar was like a big toy car pimp for Europe. I'm sure it was a case of whomever would make cars for them at the best cost, got the contract. I'm not aware of a single original casting from Edocar, but over the years, I've seen them use castings from Yat Ming, Maisto, Realtoy, Golden Wheel, Action/RCCA, Loyal Bright and likely others I'm not recalling at the moment. And not copies, but actual castings from those brands, but made for Edocar by those other makers.
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Ripa
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I haven't seen a single original Edocar casting either, the older ones (80's-early 90's) all seem to have Edocar casted at the bottom, while the newer ones I have have either nothing or the name of the original manufacturer in the bottom.

The last time I saw Edocar available here in Finland was around 1994-1995 with castings from Maisto and Coca-Cola series with "Hartoy" at the bottom. Shortly after that most of the same lineup were available again in same stores as Maisto.
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Stangfreak
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I have always kinda wondered why some castings don't have any information on the bases other than a few numbers. Oh well, it don't really matter to me much... I can usually identify a casting that I am interested in one way or another...
That is a nice Ford wagon. Never seen that one...
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JBH6666
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Thanks to Juantoo3, I finally know what the Firebird I've had for many years is. I never knew where to even start researching for it!!
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Douglas
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Old wagons are neat, and the toy car versions look really good to me with the wood grain panels, being such an uncommon thing to see on toy cars I guess it is, which is funny since I always thought the fake woodgrain on 1/1's seemed to distract from the beauty of the real cars, and couldn't figure out what car makers were thinking when they did that, it surely didn't seem to resemble the old woody wagons to well. :D
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here is a blue with the wood grain.

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this also had two front clips.and some time along the way they dropped off the
trailer hitch.

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pics of the different bases on this issue.

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JBH6666
May 18 2016, 03:51 PM
Thanks to Juantoo3, I finally know what the Firebird I've had for many years is. I never knew where to even start researching for it!!
Not sure what I did, but you're welcome!
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atombaum
May 12 2016, 06:15 AM
Speaking of base plates, seems weird that so many manufacturers don't take credit for their work. I mean, they omit their own company or brand names. Who wants to be anonymous in this business? I can understand if some company is copying an existing mold or casting. Maybe Yatming was doing that. I am not sure.
When you are making ripoffs of car molds from other brands or are making car brands without permission from the automaker, you don't want to be found out and either get sued or forced to pay royalties. So, you hide in plain sight.
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