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What do these terms mean?; JDM & DLM
Topic Started: Sep 17 2016, 12:40 PM (1,105 Views)
avalanche man
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I am confused as to what these 2 terms mean. When I furst signed up wit the Garage, 1 of the questions was about what type of collector one may be . The options were cardboard and DLM. I already knew that a cardboard collector keeps all or most of their collection in the original packaging, but DLM kinda puzzles me as I have no idea what that means. I picked it because the only vehicle that I have in my collection that retains its original packaging is a large scale special aneverssary gold Racing Championsnascar ford tarus .
The other term I cant figger out id JDM. I have heard it used to describe Japanese cars, mostly tuners and street racers. If anybody knows what these terms mean, i would appreciate any help with understanding them
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ViperMan
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DLM is Diecast Liberation Movement AKA opening your cars
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funeralxempire
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JDM = Japanese Domestic Market; cars sold in Japan or sometimes by analogy custom car trends based on styles common in Japan. It does not mean 'Japanese cars' in a generic sense, you can have a JDM Golf or Camaro for example, and right now there's no such thing as a JDM Civic because that car isn't sold in Japan.
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jedimario
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JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market and literally refers to cars or parts configured for the Japanese market. It became a "thing" becuase Japanese automakers have made a lot of cool things in the past few decades that were never officially imported to the US.
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Hobie-wan
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JDM (or JDM Spec) also often refers to car parts that may be a different style on Japanese cars versus those same cars if they appear in other markets. So someone might say "I put JDM tail lights on my Nissan 240SX", meaning they imported the lights that fit the car which was called a Silvia (S14) in Japan.

A lot of the time it is used by import enthusiasts to sound cool, just like other groups of car enthusiasts have their own scene terms.
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juantoo3
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DLM is a holdover from other diecast hobby sites that made its way here, I think primarily because Swifty himself is an avid DLMer. I can appreciate liberating more common issues, or even buying pieces already liberated, in order to save room in storage and display. But I am also an ardent cardboard collector and defender of such as a means of aiding with identifying (and verifying) obscure and less common issues. The packaging is also often full of useful information if someone knows how to interpret it correctly. And then there's the cool factor of having a piece in its original packaging, many of which have some awesome artwork.
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I have always wondered why they didnt just say he GWD "Greenwooded" that one instead of JDMed. Posted Image

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Edited by Milton Fox Racing, Sep 17 2016, 10:08 PM.
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avalanche man
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Thanx 4 the help guys!
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From what I'm remembering, David Tilley, and John Lambert, of Lamley Group started the term DLM. Could be mistaken about this, but I thought David or John had mentioned that on MCCH years ago.
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I would not be surprised regarding David and John. I know it was before my time on any hobby boards. I know David is quite adamant about disposing packaging, but he did offer a rare package that had once held a pre-production model. He wanted the model, and offered the package to the person who gave him the best excuse to keep it. It still sits in my display, after I asked him to autograph it (provenance!).

History, history, history...the package can shed light on so much history. Recently I've seen two examples of Corgi casting Hot Wheels that had they been liberated, would be presumed Corgi. Since they were still packaged, in obvious Hot Wheels packaging, it showed that Mattel used Corgi issues in their playsets. Those are only two examples.
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Milton Fox Racing
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Have to agree on the history significance of the packaging. There are less and less of the old stuff out there anymore and I try to keep everythng I find together as best I can. Just this week I have noted one package that links two brands together and another that links 3 names together on one package. :thumbup:
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funeralxempire
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Sep 17 2016, 10:05 PM
I have always wondered why they didnt just say he GWD "Greenwooded" that one instead of JDMed. Posted Image

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Typically 'JDM' means something subtle like changing the front of your bug-eyed DC2 Integra for the Japanese front-end without the bug-eyes. If you're emulating Greenwood, or other Group 5 racecar builders that's something else entirely. :lol:
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And what would that be called?
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funeralxempire
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Sep 19 2016, 10:30 PM
And what would that be called?
In the US, a street machine, if it's an American car with a V8; in Japan, GranChan, or less specifically a kaido racer.
Group 5 influenced some of, but not all of, builds on both sides of the Pacific that would be described under those terms. (Not all 'street machines' are influenced by Group 5, not all 'kaido racers' are either. Some show earlier influences (FIA Group 2, Trans-Am) and street machines often have influences from various categories of drag racing mixed in.)

Ripping off Group 5 was never limited to Japan, and was never the only style associated with bosozoku gangs, so it wouldn't make sense for folks from Japan or outside Japan to view 'Group 5 influenced aesthetics' as inherently Japanese. Even 'Group 5' is an imperfect term since the Monzas and Mustangs raced in IMSA were never homologated under Group 4, so they were never eligible for homologation under Group 5; same is true of some of the Japanese race cars that raced in Japan but not in Europe.

No universal term exists to describe cars (regardless of origin) that pay tribute to IMSA/DRM/Super Silhouette Grand Championship/etc, so basically no direct answer exists for your question.
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jedimario
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I think wide body is appropriate.
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Milton Fox Racing
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And if you take all of it back to a seminal origin - it is all aerodynamic aids. No matter what you call it. For the Greenwood body, I remember it being called ground effects back then.
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funeralxempire
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A splitter, skirts, undertray and diffuser would be examples of ground effects, but a wing or a spoiler or a widened fender wouldn't be.
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funeralxempire
Sep 20 2016, 12:10 PM
A splitter, skirts, undertray and diffuser would be examples of ground effects, but a wing or a spoiler or a widened fender wouldn't be.
I suppose it is a semantic difference, but a wing or spoiler intended to produce downforce would still be ground effects, or at the very least be an adjunct to ground effects. I do agree the flared fenders wouldn't have anything to do with downforce, that was done for brake cooling...essentially downforce turned sideways and channeled over the brakes.

My two cents, which combined with another $1.48 might still buy a cup of coffee somewhere in the universe.
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Hobie-wan
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Plus widebody stuff is often also because the suspension and wheels are pushed out for cornering stability.
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funeralxempire
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Sep 20 2016, 03:50 PM
funeralxempire
Sep 20 2016, 12:10 PM
A splitter, skirts, undertray and diffuser would be examples of ground effects, but a wing or a spoiler or a widened fender wouldn't be.
I suppose it is a semantic difference, but a wing or spoiler intended to produce downforce would still be ground effects, or at the very least be an adjunct to ground effects. I do agree the flared fenders wouldn't have anything to do with downforce, that was done for brake cooling...essentially downforce turned sideways and channeled over the brakes.

My two cents, which combined with another $1.48 might still buy a cup of coffee somewhere in the universe.
They'd definitely be 'aero' but I'm pretty sure ground effects are defined by being aerodynamic aids that rely on operating in 'ground effect'.

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Fair enough, and like I mentioned it is probably a semantic difference. Since an automobile operates completely in the range of airspace that would produce "ground effects" for aircraft, it seems reasonable to me to include a spoiler / airdam / "wing" if such is set to produce downforce with the goal of increasing the handling and performance of an automobile at high speed. But that's just my opinion.

Are you familiar with Flarecraft? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_vehicle
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Milton Fox Racing
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I tend to agree with the wings and spoilers - as adding downforce - that they should be ground effects as well, but a wing has been excluded for a long time in the racing world - in the accepted ground effects definition. Not so sure about spoilers though. And the engineers and drivers in both NASCAR and F1 would probably argue that fender shapes (orlack of shape in NASCAR) do greatey effect down force as well as side force. Drivers will often drive up beside each other to change those forces during race events.

But back to the OPs question about JDM - remember it also includes graphics and neon lights that get added to a car to make it look like it can go faster!
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Milton Fox Racing
Sep 21 2016, 08:30 AM
But back to the OPs question about JDM - remember it also includes graphics and neon lights that get added to a car to make it look like it can go faster!
People that imported Japanese cars or put Japanese style parts on their car aren't always the same people who put bright colors, stickers, and neon on those same cars. There is overlap, yes, but they're not the same. JDM simply means Japanese Domestic Market parts of vehicles. Sticker and light people are just a silly subset of people like ones that put all the tacky doodads on their car from the JC Whitney catalog or Pep-Boys.
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Hobie-wan
Sep 21 2016, 10:08 AM
Milton Fox Racing
Sep 21 2016, 08:30 AM
But back to the OPs question about JDM - remember it also includes graphics and neon lights that get added to a car to make it look like it can go faster!
People that imported Japanese cars or put Japanese style parts on their car aren't always the same people who put bright colors, stickers, and neon on those same cars. There is overlap, yes, but they're not the same. JDM simply means Japanese Domestic Market parts of vehicles. Sticker and light people are just a silly subset of people like ones that put all the tacky doodads on their car from the JC Whitney catalog or Pep-Boys.
Yeah, there's "REAL" JDM and then there is fake/wannabe JDM, just exploiting the true meaning of JDM.
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This is JDM:
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...because it was made in Japan, for Japan. No stickers; no spoilers; no turbochargers; no fender flares. Just a Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) Honda Odyssey.




This is not JDM.
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Although it has all the graphics, spoilers, ground effects and is advertised as "turbo," it remains a model of a North American Honda Odyssey, which was designed, built, and marketed in North America, and is not available in Japan, thus no JDM here.
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