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'65 Lincoln Continental
Topic Started: Jan 3 2017, 10:42 PM (1,139 Views)
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The Mustang II is a Mustang too!
Hosspower98
Jan 6 2017, 10:18 PM
Swifty, I am sure you had some say on the 16th year promo car. Thanks so much for choosing one without a gaping wind gobbler hood and floppy misfit chicken wing doors. You are the man!
You'd be very surprised. I was limited to what I could get a quantity of. All I knew was it was going to be a Mustang. My first choice was the GL Muscle series 12 '68 Mustang in Tahoe Turquoise. Second was the "Legend Lime" (more like mint) '06 from GL Muscle series 11, and my third choice was the '69 Mustang in Gulfstream Aqua from series 15.

Unfortunately, all were already sold out. This is the only Mustang I could get a quantity of, and even at that I couldn't get fifty of them.

The loudest voice isn't always the majority, and some of us truly enjoy all the opening features. Real cars have opening doors and hoods and trunks, and I feel it adds to the realism if the miniatures do too. There are brands that offer cars without opening features, and there are those that do. Some brands offer both. I'm tired of those who don't want cars to have opening features complaining constantly and drowning out those of us who do.

This is a panel gap:

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If M2s and GreenLights looked like this, I could understand the complaints. Unfortunately, my thought on on those who complain about panel gaps on M2s is that they're completely unfounded. Doors that don't close completely, however... well, yes, but that's a result of their packaging and not the product itself.
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Remember my favorite Hot Wheels 56 F-100 delivery, the one with the tilting front clip? One snowy winter day several years ago i refitted and glued over 100 hoods shut.

All my Shelby Collectibles have refitted doors. Hinge screws jammed tight with a drop of super glue on the threads.

All my M2 cars and trucks have been adjusted in one way or another. Except the Drivers, they are perfect.

Can't find too much wrong with Greenlight and Auto World. Oh yeah, the wonky AW painted headlights. Oversized bagel tires on the early GL's has been addressed.

Johnny Lightnings are all over the place and almost antiquish (is that a word?) Hey some people like antiques.
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OK, I'll be good. :wave:
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Hosspower98
Jan 6 2017, 10:39 PM
Johnny Lightnings are all over the place and almost antiquish (is that a word?) Hey some people like antiques. :rolleyes:
Johnny never should have come back. A lot of the castings they're using are quite inferior to the other products they're offering from the same company (and they're a dollar more than the superior Auto Worlds at Walmart!). However, I recognize them for what they are - a stopgap until Auto World has enough diversity in their own castings to keep things fresh on the pegs.

That said, he who whines loudest is still whining.

Opening suicide doors represent a difficult challenge to a small scale manufacturer. But it also represents an opportunity to be the first to offer something truly unique. More to the point, it should be easier to make without the pesky panel gaps because of one unique feature of the suicide door Lincolns:

http://significantcars.com/cars/1965lincoln/frint2-doorsopen.jpg

Note that there's a divider between the doors. Engineered correctly (like the real cars), this will hide a panel gap in small scale.
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Jan 6 2017, 10:33 PM
The loudest voice isn't always the majority, and some of us truly enjoy all the opening features. Real cars have opening doors and hoods and trunks, and I feel it adds to the realism if the miniatures do too. There are brands that offer cars without opening features, and there are those that do. Some brands offer both. I'm tired of those who want all cars to not have opening features complaining constantly and drowning out those of us who do.


If M2s and GreenLights looked like this, I could understand the complaints. Unfortunately, my thought on on those who complain about panel gaps on M2s is that they're completely unfounded. Doors that don't close completely, however... well, yes, but that's a result of their packaging and not the product itself.
I don't remember that this thread was started on that complaint. I do remember a certain individual ask a question and the masses answered.
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That little silver appliance car would have a snow drift across the back seat in Orchard Park NY last week. Really. I would display that one with the doors open.
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Firehawk73
Jan 6 2017, 10:45 PM
Swifty
Jan 6 2017, 10:33 PM

If M2s and GreenLights looked like this, I could understand the complaints. Unfortunately, my thought on on those who complain about panel gaps on M2s is that they're completely unfounded. Doors that don't close completely, however... well, yes, but that's a result of their packaging and not the product itself.
I don't remember that this thread was started on that complaint. I do remember a certain individual ask a question and the masses answered.
GreenLight's never offered a car with opening doors. The people complaining the loudest are also the people who whine about M2's door gaps. It's completely relevant to this thread.

I say let's see what GreenLight can do before we hold them to the standards of a competing manufacturer.


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Jan 6 2017, 10:45 PM
Johnny never should have come back. A lot of the castings they're using are quite inferior to the other products they're offering from the same company (and they're a dollar more than the superior Auto Worlds at Walmart!). However, I recognize them for what they are - a stopgap until Auto World has enough diversity in their own castings to keep things fresh on the pegs.

Totally agree!!!
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Jan 6 2017, 10:48 PM
Firehawk73
Jan 6 2017, 10:45 PM
Swifty
Jan 6 2017, 10:33 PM

If M2s and GreenLights looked like this, I could understand the complaints. Unfortunately, my thought on on those who complain about panel gaps on M2s is that they're completely unfounded. Doors that don't close completely, however... well, yes, but that's a result of their packaging and not the product itself.
I don't remember that this thread was started on that complaint. I do remember a certain individual ask a question and the masses answered.
GreenLight's never offered a car with opening doors. The people complaining the loudest are also the people who whine about M2's door gaps. It's completely relevant to this thread.

I say let's see what GreenLight can do before we hold them to the standards of a competing manufacturer.


That maybe true but they did not do such a great job on the Gone in 60 seconds Elenaor casting even though it was not a in house casting which I know you would use for your rebuttal. Since they did use it and put their name on it, aren't they just as responsible of the outcome when they had a chance to correct it?
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That was fun, bedtime for Bonzo, night boys!
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Firehawk73
Jan 6 2017, 10:53 PM
Swifty
Jan 6 2017, 10:48 PM
Firehawk73
Jan 6 2017, 10:45 PM
Swifty
Jan 6 2017, 10:33 PM

If M2s and GreenLights looked like this, I could understand the complaints. Unfortunately, my thought on on those who complain about panel gaps on M2s is that they're completely unfounded. Doors that don't close completely, however... well, yes, but that's a result of their packaging and not the product itself.
I don't remember that this thread was started on that complaint. I do remember a certain individual ask a question and the masses answered.
GreenLight's never offered a car with opening doors. The people complaining the loudest are also the people who whine about M2's door gaps. It's completely relevant to this thread.

I say let's see what GreenLight can do before we hold them to the standards of a competing manufacturer.


That maybe true but they did not do such a great job on the Gone in 60 seconds Elenaor casting even though it was not a in house casting which I know you would use for your rebuttal. Since they did use it and put their name on it, aren't they just as responsible of the outcome when they had a chance to correct it?
It's very hard to 'correct' an existing casting.

Case in point: the Racing Champions AMC Pacer.

In the 1990s Racing Champions released a Pacer and it was fantastic...

...Except for one little glaring detail. The hood opened the wrong way. The real Pacer's hood tilts forward, while the RC's opened like a conventional hood. At LightningFest '06, after the presentation where they announced the upcoming new castings, I asked if the upcoming Pacer would be retooled from the Racing Champions model. When that was confirmed, I mentioned the problem with the existing casting. The correction resulted in...an ugly sealed hood that had a worse panel gap than the opening hood version. Releasing it with the error would have been preferable to that hot mess of a recast. So no, you can't hold GreenLight accountable for Shelby Collectibles' efforts.

I say let's see them do a car with an opening doors and show the world how it's done. Heaven forbid a company take a little risk and be innovative. We don't live in the 1950s any more. Technology has improved leaps and bounds. Despite that, if I want a model with opening doors, hood, and trunk all on the same car, I need to go back fifty years to Impy Lonestar:

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Do they have try it on this model? Let them get something else to be the guinea pig.
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Firehawk73
Jan 6 2017, 11:05 PM
Do they have try it on this model? Let them get something else to be the guinea pig.
Yes, actually. What better model than a suicide door Lincoln to showcase opening doors?

It's like doing a DeLorean in small scale without opening doors. What's the point? The doors are what make the car special! You want a Continental without opening doors? Hot Wheels and Johnny Lightning both already offer them. Who else is going to make one with opening doors in 1/64?

The doors are the very essence of this model.
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Jan 4 2017, 03:47 PM
We are excited. So very unscientific poll here. Opening hood...or opening suicide doors? I don't know if we can do it without a huge panel gap so no promises. But if we can, which is cooler? I think I know but just asking.

Suicide doors would be awesome if they would fit right. I think the opening hood is safer. Still a very cool model!
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I would prefer to see it with no opening features. Cars just look so much cleaner to me.
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I think the opening suicide doors would be awesome IF they can be done without massive panel gaps or alignment issues. I've got faith that if anyone can do it, it's Greenlight, but I know it will probably be tricky. If you're able to try it and it works then great. But what would happen if you try it and it doesn't? I say if you're willing to go back to the drawing board if it doesn't look right then go for it, but if the economics are such that that wouldn't be possible then playing it safe might be wiser.
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I would say I agree, but I think Swifty's point is quite valid. How awesome would it be to have a diecast from GL with opening doors and no gap? It might take an engineering tweak, but it is possible with the technology available today.
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I vote opening trunk. Just not enough new castings with a opening trunk feature. It would be a nice homage to the MBX Lincoln Continental also.
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I think if your going to make '65 Lincoln it should have suicide doors that open, that is the feature that defines that car. In my opinion I think it would be great if it had both an opening hood and doors, but if I had to choose one feature it would be the doors for the Lincoln. I was really impressed with outstanding job Greenlight did with the 1955 Cadillac casting and I hope that the same attention to detail that went into the Cadillac, like the clear headlight lenses and separate chrome bumpers, and I hope the same features are also included on the Lincoln. The suicide doors could also be designed in such a way to have a less obtrusive door hinge because of the nature of how they work. With many of the manufacturing processes available today I think the limits should be pushed in the amount of detail that can be offered in a 1/64 casting.

Also the constant complaining about opening doors and hoods gets old. If 1/64 cars didn't come with opening hoods or doors I probably wouldn't buy them anymore. Just my 2 cents.
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My turn.. :02:
I think that GL should pull out all the stops and have all the doors open, including boot and bonnet.
It would make this casting stand out from the other castings and harken back to the days of Impy Lonestar (who would have done it like that to compete with the MBX version).
It would be cutting edge, that's for sure!
I already can't wait-even if all the panels are closed, it would be amazing to have a true 1:64 Lincoln Continental!!
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I suppose I should mention my other main concern about all of this potential effort into opening doors: cost. Not cost to us, but rather the tooling costs on the car making it one that would be prohibitive for them to make frequently. I remember someone from the GL production team saying that some older castings like the 300J/K and others were cost prohibitive, probably I suspect due to the plastic roof. I'd rather the Lincoln casting stick around for awhile.
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GreenLight has altered previous castings (the early '70s Chevy pickup comes to mind) to cut costs previously. Several versions with the camper were released without the opening hood to offset the cost of the camper back.

We've also seen a number of diecast manufacturers over the years cut their costs by sealing opening features - Johnny Lightning, Impy, Matchbox, Hot Wheels, and more have all done it. But even if that's the eventual reality, I'd still love to have at least a few versions with the opening doors before it happens.
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JeepXJLover
Jan 7 2017, 12:48 AM
I vote opening trunk. Just not enough new castings with a opening trunk feature. It would be a nice homage to the MBX Lincoln Continental also.
Agreed...... :thumbup:
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I would rather see a car with opening features that I can fix opposed to not having the car at all. Is much easier to make a repair than have to totally scratch build one.
I remember when I started collecting, Tootsie Toy cars were $ .05, the car was a 1 piece body, 2 axles and 4 wheels, no glass, no interior.
Its AMERICA, no body makes you buy anything. its a choice you make.
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