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Hideous Monstrosity Of The Day: June 22, 2017; Maisto '05 Scion xB
Topic Started: Jun 22 2017, 10:29 PM (1,210 Views)
Lummox
Microcar
What's that one with the asymmetrical D pillar?
The right one is wider then the left. It's mentioned above..I think.

Trying too hard to be "progressive" or different...whatever. Painful is the word that comes to mind.

People have told me hate is such a strong word.
To those people I reply hate is not a strong enough word. :)
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jedimario
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That was the Nissan Cube. The glass wrapped around the D pillar just on one side.

I kinda like a little asymetry. It works for things like the Land Rover Discovery. And spare tires on older cars.
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Lummox
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Cube...so easy to make fun of these new random car names today.
Change the first letter of Cube to...and, well, go from there.
Edited by Lummox, Jun 25 2017, 09:39 PM.
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Swifty
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avalanche man
Jun 24 2017, 10:32 PM
first, I never said you couldn't call the tc a homemead avenger coupe, I just said you couldn't call in ugly. get it right dude.

second I said the celica was alien eyed nt bug eyed, you proably got confused because I said alien eyed water bug, and you thought I said bug eyed these are alien eyed big difference between alien eyed and bug eyed, just sayin
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.
The Scion tC is ugly.

It has a stubby rear end that isn't stubby enough to be cute like a Gremlin, but is too short to be anything but a design nightmare.

And you have no right to tell me that I can't call the tC is ugly. It is, end of story. Taste is subjective, you can hate the Celica all you want (you told me why you don't like it, I can respect that...and it's not my concern that you don't like it), but you will not and cannot tell me what I do and don't think is ugly. So I say it again: The Scion tC is ugly. Just sayin'.

And I read what you posted, I've just never heard them called 'alien eyes' and since your taste is obviously suspect, I figured you were just confused. They aren't 'alien eyes' they're 'angry eyes'. Get it right, dude. And they're totally gnarly dude! The idea is that they look like angry eyes, giving the car a more aggressive look. It works on a sporty model like the Celica... it fails on the others you posted. Hard.
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Swifty
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The Mustang II is a Mustang too!
Lummox
Jun 25 2017, 09:05 PM
Cube...so easy to make fun of these new random car names today.
I'd like to see them all crushed into cubes. :thumbup:
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Swifty
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The Mustang II is a Mustang too!
jedimario
Jun 25 2017, 02:59 PM
I never called the tC sporty, the last Celicas were maybe sporty by the absolute loosest definition, and the FR-S itself was done by Toyota. Only the motor was Subaru.

You didn't, however the Celica was brought into this conversation by someone else who insisted that the tC could be a replacement for it. In order for the tC to truly replace the Celica, it would need to be far sportier (and look the part) than it does. Hate on the last generation Celica all you want, but it looks sporty and has racing heritage.
Wikipedia
 
The Toyota 86 is a series of 2+2 seater sports cars which was jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru and solely manufactured by Subaru.

That sounds like a Subaru to me. Sure, Toyota originated the idea and had input on the design process... but the end result is fully Subaru.
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Lummox
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Sorry I couldn't find a better place to ask this, but how do you vote for the POTM for July?
Tried every button, switch, and lever, and nothin'.
Can see how it works on other POTHs.
Edited by Lummox, Jun 25 2017, 09:44 PM.
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juantoo3
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Lummox
Jun 25 2017, 09:41 PM
Sorry I couldn't find a better place to ask this, but how do you vote for the POTM for July?
Tried every button, switch, and lever, and nothin'.
Can see how it works on other POTHs.
Hasn't been done for July yet, still voting on May:

http://swiftysgarage.net/topic/9061991/1/#poll600704
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Lummox
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juantoo3
Jun 25 2017, 10:02 PM
Lummox
Jun 25 2017, 09:41 PM
Sorry I couldn't find a better place to ask this, but how do you vote for the POTM for July?
Tried every button, switch, and lever, and nothin'.
Can see how it works on other POTHs.
Hasn't been done for July yet, still voting on May:

http://swiftysgarage.net/topic/9061991/1/#poll600704
Hmm, it looked like people had voted because of the red lines in varying length.
Oh well. I believe ya!
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avalanche man
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The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
The Toyota Celica is hideous.

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And I read what you posted, I've just never heard them called 'alien eyes' and since your taste is obviously suspect, I figured you were just confused. They aren't 'alien eyes' they're 'angry eyes'. Get it right, dude. And they're totally gnarly dude! The idea is that they look like angry eyes, giving the car a more aggressive look. It works on a sporty model like the Celica... it fails on the others you posted. Hard.
Well, they look like alien eyes to me, Sir. Call them aggressive all you want, but I think they just look awkward.
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jedimario
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Swifty
Jun 25 2017, 09:28 PM
Wikipedia
 
The Toyota 86 is a series of 2+2 seater sports cars which was jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru and solely manufactured by Subaru.

That sounds like a Subaru to me. Sure, Toyota originated the idea and had input on the design process... but the end result is fully Subaru.
Toyota engineered the chassis. It wouldn't make sense for both companies to build it in different factories.
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Wow, to think a toy car of a Scion could drum up so much....... discussion.

How'ed we even get to the tC and Celica? Oh yeah, I see......

Anyway, back on topic. The Scion xB was originally designed as the Toyota bB and was made for the Japanese market. The Japanese have different needs that the Americans. Functionality over power and aggressive looks - small, convenient and most of all efficient. I personally like boxy cars like the bB, the Cube, and the Element and the not so common or well-known Honda N-Box, Honda Hobio, Suzuki Mr. Wagon, Mazda Scrum, Mazda Spiano and Suzuki Lapin, Honda Vamos, Toyota Pixis Mega, Suzuki Hustler, Daihatsu Mira, and the list goes on and on.

They're not for everyone, and to some people they may be ugly, but then have you seen the Pontiac Aztek?

I think box cars are cute, and that's all that matters. Let the haters hate. :P

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Lummox
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Aztec...makes me shudder. I call the booty-tic. I guess if you put a US brand name on something you can sell it no matter how hideous.

You confermed my suspicions about the Scion.
When 1st seeing one I had a feeling they weren't originally designed for the US market...among others.
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toyotageek
Jun 26 2017, 09:06 AM
Wow, to think a toy car of a Scion could drum up so much....... discussion.

No kidding. Swifty is more passionate about Scion than anyone I've ever seen. Whether it is warranted is anyone's guess.
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Harvestman
Jun 26 2017, 04:58 PM
toyotageek
Jun 26 2017, 09:06 AM
Wow, to think a toy car of a Scion could drum up so much....... discussion.

No kidding. Swifty is more passionate about Scion than anyone I've ever seen. Whether it is warranted is anyone's guess.
It was a marketing disaster. Not quite to the level of New Coke or the Edsel, but it's one of the biggest blunders in recent years from a major company. It's probably the single biggest mistake Toyota's ever made as a company. GM had Geo and Saturn, but I think we all expect that from GM. Toyota's not known for making errors, let alone ones of this size.

And yes, I'm passionate about this. Toyota used to be one of my favorite companies. When I went car shopping back in 2005, it was between the new Mustang or the outgoing Celica. The fact that Toyota was already in the process of discontinuing the model made it impossible to order a car the way I wanted it so I went with the Mustang instead.

Instead Toyota dropped everything they made that was even remotely exciting (Supra, Celica, MR2) and instead focused on beige sedans... and Scion. A brand that was supposed to reinvigorate the marque and bring in younger buyers. It didn't work. Most Scion owners I know (not counting the 86 & tC) are generally about the same age as most Toyota owners I know... The xB that prompted this discussion? I only know one person my age or younger that owned one. There's nothing in Scion's lineup that couldn't have worn a Toyota badge here in the USA. And if you think about it, if the idea was to reinvigorate Toyota, the cars should have worn Toyota badges in the first place.

The 86 (which really is a nice car, probably because it's a Subaru) is a step in the right direction, but they really need a new Supra. Not a Scion, not a Lexus, but a Toyota Supra.
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Swifty
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toyotageek
Jun 26 2017, 09:06 AM
I think box cars are cute, and that's all that matters. Let the haters hate. :P

I will remind everyone that this is my daily driver:

Posted Image

...It doesn't get much boxier than this. And it's proof that boxy doesn't necessarily mean the car needs to be ugly. This is how to do boxes right.
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Swifty
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avalanche man
Jun 26 2017, 12:06 AM
The Toyota Celica is hideous.
Yes, actually I agree with that. Specifically the bug-eyed '93-'99, which is the only Celica generation I've never particularly cared for (though I appreciate it more, now, after so many uglier cars have come out in the years since).

However, I think that if you were to poll people you'd find you'd be in the minority. The Celica encompassed seven generations and spawned the Supra. The tC did...nothing but hang around too long. From 2009-2016 there were only two model years when the tC sold more than 20,000 units (and both of those were barely). That's eight years of lingering around, answering a question few car buyers were asking.
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Support your local demo derby.

I think Swifty makes a valid point on Scion on the whole as a waste of complete resources by Toyota. As a brand Toyota ditched anything that remotely had a soul in the American market at the beginning of the 2000s. Instead they went for massive volume sales over anything that might resemble sporty or really fun to drive at least in the car segment. It's an interesting corporate study to undertake in how Toyota spent all this time, money and marketing an entirely new brand to breath life into the corporation much like GM tried and failed with Saturn.
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Scion being a wasted marketing effort and Toyota abandoning exciting cars in the '00s I can definitely agree with. Not sure the two are linked though.

The automotive industry in general was much more boring back then...GM canned the Camaro, Chrysler's most exciting vehicle was a 4 door "Charger", and pre-2005 the Mustang was an ancient relic. The Miata had become bloated. Outside of the S2000 and the Corvette, it was really only the European marques that kept things going. The Viper was still around, but it was really on the fringes of accessibility.

Unless you want to count the 350Z. But I hate that car and probably always will :P
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I have seen that Scion as a Transformer! :lol:
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Lummox
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Swifty, your 240 wgn is magnificent.
And it's a real SOLID car in most every respect. A respectful car.
Not some cheap tin can more suited for the reyclecling pile.
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Harvestman
Jun 26 2017, 04:58 PM
No kidding. Swifty is more passionate about Scion than anyone I've ever seen. Whether it is warranted is anyone's guess.
Seems more like disdain than passionate. :P
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Swifty
Jun 26 2017, 09:17 PM
It was a marketing disaster. Not quite to the level of New Coke or the Edsel, but it's one of the biggest blunders in recent years from a major company. It's probably the single biggest mistake Toyota's ever made as a company. GM had Geo and Saturn, but I think we all expect that from GM. Toyota's not known for making errors, let alone ones of this size.

And yes, I'm passionate about this. Toyota used to be one of my favorite companies. When I went car shopping back in 2005, it was between the new Mustang or the outgoing Celica. The fact that Toyota was already in the process of discontinuing the model made it impossible to order a car the way I wanted it so I went with the Mustang instead.

Instead Toyota dropped everything they made that was even remotely exciting (Supra, Celica, MR2) and instead focused on beige sedans... and Scion. A brand that was supposed to reinvigorate the marque and bring in younger buyers. It didn't work. Most Scion owners I know (not counting the 86 & tC) are generally about the same age as most Toyota owners I know... The xB that prompted this discussion? I only know one person my age or younger that owned one. There's nothing in Scion's lineup that couldn't have worn a Toyota badge here in the USA. And if you think about it, if the idea was to reinvigorate Toyota, the cars should have worn Toyota badges in the first place.



The 86 (which really is a nice car, probably because it's a Subaru) is a step in the right direction, but they really need a new Supra. Not a Scion, not a Lexus, but a Toyota Supra.
I'll leave it at this....

I've worked for a Toyota dealer for about 35 years. I've driven Toyotas for slightly longer. I love Toyota. But I'm also disappointed in a lot of things Toyota has done, or didn't do. For the most part, they make dependable cars, that's part of why they've been so successful. Along the way, they had lookers and some real losers. I'll admit to that. But I won't bash them or any other company for their failures. Every maker has had it's hits and misses. Toyota is no exception.

I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I was when Scion came out. I predicted that it would be a failure, and that their marketing strategy was doomed. But hey, who am I but a lowly employee at some dealership. Corporate does what corporate does, and they can be blind and ignorant to the truth and reality. Toyota said Scion was an 'experiment' that had run it's course.... yeah, yeah, whatever. I agree it was a blunder, but I still work at a Toyota dealer, and I still drive a Toyota. Like the old saying goes, there is no crying over spilled milk - so get over it. Move along....

Yeah, the tC was blah. The iQ isn't a car for the American market. Maybe the xB is ugly, maybe not. But I ain't going to bad mouth them, just like I won't bad mouth other brands models that I don't really care for - I just don't get the whole bad mouth syndrome; what's the point? There's plenty of cars I'm not fond of and that I dislike, but what's the point of bad mouthing them. It riles up feathers and causes friction.

Toyota has been making some good strives since Akio took the reigns. Hopefully it continues, and hopefully we'll see some more results soon.

BTW, nice wagon Swifty, even if it does look like a brick. ;)
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I, for one, love the Scion brand (possibly as much as Swifty hates it). Lots of low-trim, cheap thrills, and unique cars. As I work with the Toyota brand daily at my job, I will miss the quirkyness of the Scions as they begin to fill our incoming lanes less and less.

Moving on to the car of the day itself, the casting is pretty decent. Like many Jadas, it's customized, but that's what you sign up for when you buy one. I liked the first generation of the xB because of its squareness.
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Lummox
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It's the whole Asian aesthetic that mainly turned/turns me off.
Inside and out. Even their interiors have their own special scent.

I now like the looks of many pre'73 Asians but even back then their steel was of a lesser quality.
They sure ran forever though, until the bodies unfortunately crumbled. :)
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