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Question: copyright on card vs year of issue; is there a relationship between them
Topic Started: Jun 24 2017, 11:53 AM (186 Views)
b2young
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I've gotten in the habit of checking the back of the blister cards for the copyright date. Perhaps I developed that habit from something I read here in the past few years?

I've treated that copyright date as representing the year PRIOR to the year the model/card in question actually is distributed to retail stores....so if a card has a copyright of 2015, the model on the card was "released" in 2016's batches/cases.

That seems to have served me well for some time....it seems to match up with, for instance, the "2017"-released 5-packs in my collection, which have copyright dates of 2016 on the package, and a similar situation with each of the 5 packs I have going back several years (I have fire/ems five packs dating back to 1997--by copyright date and presumed issue date, every year except 2004 accounted for).

I've been stopping at a Target store every Sunday (or Friday or Saturday) to look for restocked Matchbox, and for the past two months, there were exactly 3 Matchbox singles hanging (the same ones for the entire time) on 4 pegs of Matchbox singles aisle space. I've asked several times why the store wasn't restocking, and yesterday I tried again...finally getting a straightforward answer. Turns out, the store's inventory system said there were 12 singles "in stock", which, being half a case, was too many to trigger the chain's automatic inventory/reorder system. For two or more months.....their in-store inventory system apparently has been wrong (did someone steal 9 models during that time????) [The employee I talked with corrected the store's inventory when he saw what I was talking about....so perhaps in a few weeks there might be some new singles hanging in that store, and maybe they'll include something I'm missing...... :) ]

Anyway, how that relates to my question: there is a "Spark Arrester" among the 3 'pegwarmers', and the copyright date on that card is 2016....which if my habit is correct, would mean that model was going to be the 2017 release of the casting. Yet, the case/batch lists from Tilley and Keith indicate the Spark Arrester was released with 2016 batch/case M (the last 2016 case). The other two pegwarmers are more recent....a Roar by Four (2017 Batch F, March release, ©2016) and a Swamp Commander (2017 Batch B, December 2016, ©2016). (Possibly each of those are remainders from the subsequent batches--Spark Arrester batch A or B; Swamp Commander Batch C or D; and Roar by Four Batch G?)

At any rate, for the most part, those copyright dates seem to support my observed lack of product since back in early April. So, my question is:

Is the copyright date a reliable indicator that the model with that © is a model from the subsequent year's 125-count series? (And, if so, was the Spark Arrester a last-minute add to 2016 Batch M for some reason, instead of holding it back for 2017 Batch A?)

I apologize for the length of this post, for such a straightforward question....those familiar with me shouldn't be surprised....I can't seem to 'get to the point' without extensive explanation.

[Edit #4....I notice that other models in 2016 Batch M also have 2016 copyright dates....so that just blows my 'trustworthy' method of determining release year vs copyright date out of the water....though I still haven't seen a model I KNOW is a 2017 release that has a 2017 copyright....even halfway thru the year, including the Subaru WRX police car, a NEW casting.]
Edited by b2young, Jun 24 2017, 12:18 PM.
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Is the copyright date a reliable indicator that the model with that © is a model from the subsequent year's 125-count series? (And, if so, was the Spark Arrester a last-minute add to 2016 Batch M for some reason, instead of holding it back for 2017 Batch A?)

In general, I would guess probably in the 95-97% range, this is accurate concerning Matty (HW & Mbx). Towards the end of the year and beginning of the next, sometimes this isn't the situation, as you've shown. I can't answer definitively, but I would say your last guess is a pretty good one based on past performance. Sometimes there are other mitigating circumstances as well (cancellation and repurpose of a series, perhaps? Or in the case of the Wisconsin Toy redlines, a cancelled promo order that was repackaged and sold later).
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coldpopcarl
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I live a VW way of life eat breathe sleep dream & was HOME 16 years

Sorrry Thought this was General of HW question
So below comment is HW
-- i will leave it all here as IT A GOOD EXAMPLE of DATES back card and car/d year
The 2017 lineup I BEEN seeing having 2015 on back

Also not always over the years does this apply to be exact

Such as a 2014 line up car
Can have
=2013 on back
But can also have
=2014 on back being it is a late issuie such as oct-nov-dec= jan -feb -march release AS to when assortments will have new 2015 cars and the ending 2014 cars in same mix


In the 90's many cards can have its either '90 or '91 on card yet it came out in the mid 90's

I will show a example from 2002
That has three different DATES on Back of card
1st ed new model
Volkswagen New Beetle Cup

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Here the two center cards are the same its just the tampo change on same card
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Also MULTI PACKS can have same year on back as year of release , but can be card back YEAR DATE prior to year issue release
Edited by coldpopcarl, Jun 24 2017, 01:23 PM.
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coldpopcarl
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I live a VW way of life eat breathe sleep dream & was HOME 16 years
Also not mentioning tge DATE back of card .
But for people whom ONLY COLLECT USA LONG CARDS

2004, 2005 , 2006
All REGIONS have the
27084 12013

as the UPC number so they are USA Cards and INTERNATIONAL card using what now is known as the INTERNATIONAL card or the USA International supmarket conveint store cards during that time frame
Edited by coldpopcarl, Jun 24 2017, 01:17 PM.
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coldpopcarl
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I live a VW way of life eat breathe sleep dream & was HOME 16 years
Woops sorry for posting HW cards and info , But it is still good examples of MULTI Card DATES on same card # car
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b2young
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THANK you both....that does help. I've noticed, as Carl noted, that I've some older cards I know I bought in different years (new "issues" when purchased) but all had a copyright date several years prior, rather than same or immediately-previous. I sort of tried to figure out if that was the 'norm' and at some particular year (maybe during a Matchbox ownership change?) the 'system' (if it is a systematic process) changed to copyright representing the previous year for, say, the 1st half of a 'new model' year, and then toward the end of the model year some cards would have a issue date and copyright date that matched.

Any way, I guess I'll still make a temporary assessment in the store that I'm looking at a current-year model if the copyright date is the previous year, and then check that when I get home against Tilley's and/or Keith's listings. I just bookmarked Swifty's and the Matchbox Bay pinned Tilley's batch list in the phone, but will have to see if I can even pull that up inside a store with this old phone and 4G service....wish me luck!
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coldpopcarl
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I live a VW way of life eat breathe sleep dream & was HOME 16 years
b2young
Jun 24 2017, 02:55 PM
THANK you both....that does help. I've noticed, as Carl noted, that I've some older cards I know I bought in different years (new "issues" when purchased) but all had a copyright date several years prior, rather than same or immediately-previous. I sort of tried to figure out if that was the 'norm' and at some particular year (maybe during a Matchbox ownership change?) the 'system' (if it is a systematic process) changed to copyright representing the previous year for, say, the 1st half of a 'new model' year, and then toward the end of the model year some cards would have a issue date and copyright date that matched.

Any way, I guess I'll still make a temporary assessment in the store that I'm looking at a current-year model if the copyright date is the previous year, and then check that when I get home against Tilley's and/or Keith's listings. I just bookmarked Swifty's and the Matchbox Bay pinned Tilley's batch list in the phone, but will have to see if I can even pull that up inside a store with this old phone and 4G service....wish me luck!
Few things I USED TO DO is compile a LIST of known CASTINGS of a NUMBER example mb #1-#125 and as known of the CAR ( colours of same # if needed too )
and have that with you ( i would even have multi years NEING some times you would come across OLD YEAR Car/ds even multi years OLD. Say 2015 cars today in 2017


Also If saying you have wifi internet data phone , and thinking a car/d is from previous year/s

Go on over TO BAMCA Bay Area Matchbox Collectors Association



Toss this into a phone bookmark
They usually are little behind on BRAND NEW TO MARKET or even months behind ( not always ) but if thinking its OLDER then current new to market or recent new to market

It is very usefull

http://www.bamca.org/database.php

Cheers from ALASKA , col'pop coldpopcarl
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